JOCAZTEC
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Post by JOCAZTEC on Jul 19, 2012 6:55:24 GMT -8
So teachers, police, firemen, etc. are stealing your money. You are pathetic.  Teachers are NOT the same kinds of public servants as policemen or firemen. Teaching is usually a valuable public service but it's a different kind of service than fighting crime or putting out fires. Why people group the three eludes me. Do soldiers and DMV clerks belong in the same sentence? That said, as for Obama's quote, was he really wrong? Does Target build the streets that lead to its stores? I did not include firemen, policemen etc. Only teachers was in osamatax's Rowandoak speech. Think about this. Workers' compensation insurance which is set by the P.U.C. (add a, "k" if you'd like). WC is a tax on wages and is set at rates depending upon how the government feels the work is risky. The layoffs in the government skew towards firemen and policemen because the workers' comp rates are extremely high on these government occupations. Teachers have a very low workers' comp rate and get the preferential treatment when layoffs or furloughs or what cutsey word you want to use, comes around. It is unfair that firemen who have a WC rate of about 100% of the wages paid, and policemen get the axe so much more than teachers. We can do without teachers but not firemen and policemen. HAM TAX/TH |
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Post by ptsdthor on Jul 19, 2012 8:32:52 GMT -8
Doesn't Obama and left realize that people who are very successful in some area (business, talent, etc) likely spent thousands of hours working toward that end before they were ever deemed "successful"?
Read the book Outliers. Many, if not most, success stories are because people put in a short lifetime of effort doing something well before they hit it big.
Alternatively and additionally, they likely took advantage of doing things differently from how things were done in the past (in fact - didn't stand on the shoulders of "giants" but challenged them from below).
This class warfare and anti-business rhetoric from Obama and his minions is so Leninist/Marxist.
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Post by azdick on Jul 19, 2012 9:05:13 GMT -8
Well. You are in a minority. If pleases you to think so, feel free I too listened to the whole context. What he said was that none of us stand alone, and none of us build busnesses without the benefit of infrastructure provided by government. How true. Too bad rhighties only filter theri information through Faux News. |
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Post by aztec70 on Jul 19, 2012 9:15:45 GMT -8
Doesn't Obama and left realize that people who are very successful in some area (business, talent, etc) likely spent thousands of hours working toward that end before they were ever deemed "successful"? Read the book Outliers. Many, if not most, success stories are because people put in a short lifetime of effort doing something well before they hit it big. Alternatively and additionally, they likely took advantage of doing things differently from how things were done in the past (in fact - didn't stand on the shoulders of "giants" but challenged them from below). This class warfare and anti-business rhetoric from Obama and his minions is so Leninist/Marxist. Well, Adam Smith would agree with Obama. |
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Post by ptsdthor on Jul 19, 2012 9:34:53 GMT -8
If pleases you to think so, feel free I too listened to the whole context. What he said was that none of us stand alone, and none of us build businesses without the benefit of infrastructure provided by government. How true. Too bad rhighties only filter their information through Faux News. We are in the information age and productivity and our economy has exploded accordingly. If Obama is making the case, for example, that the installed telephone infrastructure made it all possible, he is clearly losing me. Investing in private innovation and fostering competition is the best way to give our citizens the best bang for their buck. Any previous order of magnitude leaps in our economy (like manufacturing productivity, farming productivity, etc) mostly came about with private businesses pursuing profits. Much less is due to the fact that we had a train system or road system or power system. They were necessary ingredients but they were not the primary cause. If we are trying to energize the next leap in the economy, do we really want to invest in widening roads and making bridges to nowhere (See Failed Stimulus)? |
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Post by aztec70 on Jul 19, 2012 9:47:39 GMT -8
I too listened to the whole context. What he said was that none of us stand alone, and none of us build businesses without the benefit of infrastructure provided by government. How true. Too bad rhighties only filter their information through Faux News. We are in the information age and productivity and our economy has exploded accordingly. If Obama is making the case, for example, that the installed telephone infrastructure made it all possible, he is clearly losing me. Investing in private innovation and fostering competition is the best way to give our citizens the best bang for their buck. Any previous order of magnitude leaps in our economy (like manufacturing productivity, farming productivity, etc) mostly came about with private businesses pursuing profits. Much less is due to the fact that we had a train system or road system or power system. They were necessary ingredients but they were not the primary cause. If we are trying to energize the next leap in the economy, do we really want to invest in widening roads and making bridges to nowhere (See Failed Stimulus)? You are completely, and utterly, wrong. Transportation systems and power are the prerequisite for manufacturing, and unless you are a subsistence farmer, the same is true for agricultural production. |
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Post by stopthemadness on Jul 19, 2012 11:13:00 GMT -8
Well, Adam Smith would agree with Obama. If this "Adam Smith" isn't a NASCAR driver, I'm afraid you've lost a lot of your audience already. Funny! |
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Post by stopthemadness on Jul 19, 2012 11:13:31 GMT -8
Who built the internet?
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Post by ptsdthor on Jul 19, 2012 11:17:25 GMT -8
We are in the information age and productivity and our economy has exploded accordingly. If Obama is making the case, for example, that the installed telephone infrastructure made it all possible, he is clearly losing me. Investing in private innovation and fostering competition is the best way to give our citizens the best bang for their buck. Any previous order of magnitude leaps in our economy (like manufacturing productivity, farming productivity, etc) mostly came about with private businesses pursuing profits. Much less is due to the fact that we had a train system or road system or power system. They were necessary ingredients but they were not the primary cause. If we are trying to energize the next leap in the economy, do we really want to invest in widening roads and making bridges to nowhere (See Failed Stimulus)? You are completely, and utterly, wrong. Transportation systems and power are the prerequisite for manufacturing, and unless you are a subsistence farmer, the same is true for agricultural production. Oh, I see your point. Then by all means, then lets invest in trains as well!  |
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Post by ptsdthor on Jul 19, 2012 11:18:46 GMT -8
Was it some bridge builder? Don't think so. Are you making the case for more defense spending? Better yet, who made it ubiquitous, useful and what it is today? |
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Post by aztec70 on Jul 19, 2012 11:19:52 GMT -8
Well, Adam Smith would agree with Obama. If this "Adam Smith" isn't a NASCAR driver, I'm afraid you've lost a lot of your audience already. LOL |
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Post by aztec70 on Jul 19, 2012 11:22:39 GMT -8
You are completely, and utterly, wrong. Transportation systems and power are the prerequisite for manufacturing, and unless you are a subsistence farmer, the same is true for agricultural production. Oh, I see your point. Then by all means, then lets invest in trains as well! I assume you have no idea how much freight is moved with trains. Why is ignorant, and conservative, so often describing the same people? |
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Post by ptsdthor on Jul 19, 2012 11:27:37 GMT -8
Oh, I see your point. Then by all means, then lets invest in trains as well! I assume you have no idea how much freight is moved with trains. Why is ignorant, and conservative, so often describing the same people? Do you actually think investing in trains now, while essential, will change the direction of this economy? Why is ignorant and liberal so often describing the same people? |
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Post by aztecmusician on Jul 19, 2012 11:29:17 GMT -8
If you have a business, it wouldn't be there today without the sacrifice of our veterans.
We reap the benefits of many accomplishments and discoveries from our predecessors.
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Post by aztec70 on Jul 19, 2012 11:39:56 GMT -8
I assume you have no idea how much freight is moved with trains. Why is ignorant, and conservative, so often describing the same people? Do you actually think investing in trains now, while essential, will change the direction of this economy? Why is ignorant and liberal so often describing the same people? Learn to read. Learn to think. Learn to think about what you read. |
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Post by aztec70 on Jul 19, 2012 11:42:15 GMT -8
Do you actually think investing in trains now, while essential, will change the direction of this economy? Why is ignorant and liberal so often describing the same people? Learn to read. Learn to think. Learn to think about what you read. I did say that we should invest now, but it would be a good idea, I said you can't industrialize without transportation for the raw materials and end product. Just how hard is that for you to understand? |
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Post by sdsustoner on Jul 19, 2012 12:14:01 GMT -8
Win:
When you have manufactured all this stuff, how the hell are you gonna get it any where? That's the point Aztec70 is making.
I don't agree with trains since it will kill trucking. Unless the major carriers in that get into the frieght train industry diversify I see a situation here, squeezing out the trucking industry for anything outside short haul.
But his point that you need the ability to get goods in and out are needed before you produce goods. I agree with that.
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Post by ptsdthor on Jul 19, 2012 12:20:32 GMT -8
Learn to read. Learn to think. Learn to think about what you read. I did say that we should invest now, but it would be a good idea, I said you can't industrialize without transportation for the raw materials and end product. Just how hard is that for you to understand? Learn to read, learn to think, learn to understand what you read. I acknowledged that previous investment in infrastructure was vital but that is not really what Obama wants the tax money for. He is asking for money to fund a bloated Gov bureaucracy and bloated entitlement programs and uses the out of context infrastructure investment argument to make that case. An example of his cluelessness, Obama says “The Internet didn’t get invented on its own. Government research created the Internet so that all the companies could make money off the Internet.” Many debate the reason why the ARPANET project was funded in the fist place but it was not intended to be a commercial enterprise enabler. Yet Obama takes Government credit for it as if it was. Do you have any concept of that failed leap in logic and fact? Shades of Al Gore What this clown should be focusing on is the economy and stifling small business with more taxes now (and taking cover for that position using false cause and effect arguments is just typical of him saying anything and his minions lapping it up. Invest - yes -but not in Food stamps. |
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Post by sdsustoner on Jul 19, 2012 12:23:18 GMT -8
People in the gov take credit for programs they chair or co-chair all the time. Why was Gore taking credit for the ARPANET project any different?
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Post by aztec70 on Jul 19, 2012 12:36:03 GMT -8
People in the gov take credit for programs they chair or co-chair all the time. Why was Gore taking credit for the ARPANET project any different? Because he is a Democrat. If he had been a Republican it would be different. |
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