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Post by RockNFish on Jun 10, 2012 9:13:16 GMT -8
Rocky did a very good to great job at UNM. I like to think, and am occasionally told, the same about my work. However, that doesn't mean I'm anywhere near the top of my profession, nor is Rocky. To add to the Tollner comparison, I also think Rocky is superior in the sense of recruiting. With the exception of SteveEm they're now all gone but when I joined AztecTalk in 1999, there were several folks on the board with inside contacts who said they were hearing that Ted would almost never hit the recruiting trail. That doesn't seem to be the case with Rocky. Although myownwords keeps saying our recruiting has been poor, as James has said, that isn't true at all. In fact, despite the fact we won't even be joining the BE until 2013, the recruiting services all had our class being as good as UConn's this year and they went to the Fiesta Bowl last year. Didn't deserve to, but I digress. The point is, we've done fine the last two years in recruiting and that's the opposite of Ted's tenure when Steve Fairchild was Lubick's OC and he out-recruited Ted in Ted's backyard. Not sure what this means, if anything (though you can probably guess my interpretation), but Scout (to pick one) shows our national ranking in recruiting was: 2009 100th 2010 77th 2011 93rd 2012 72nd With this formula, we will get into the top 25 in about the year 2035. Of course, the hapless Tom Craft had us in the top 50ish category, with old Miami-type recruiting. This can't possibly be correct - 2010 was clong class, so that means that the beloved Hoke had the one lowest recruiting classes in the country (if you recall everyone was in place before he left and the staff was able to keep 100% of the hoke recruits). At what point would we have fired Hoke? 2003 Ball State 4–8 3–5 T–4th (West) 2004 Ball State 2–9 2–6 6th (West) 2005 Ball State 4–7 4–4 5th (West) 2006 Ball State 5–7 5–3 T–3rd (West) 2007 Ball State 7–6 5–2 2nd (West) L International 2008 Ball State 12–1 8–0 1st (West) Yeah but he had limited resources at ball state and ah, well its different.. he never took a step back, well in 5 years I still say let's let Rocky win less than 8 games before we fire him, i know, kinda crazy, maybe its just me. |
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Post by aztech on Jun 10, 2012 10:40:35 GMT -8
I don't want to reiterate everything I wrote before I let me see if I can condense it. First, we have more talent on the team and we have had since the Luginbill era. We have about 45 players who were rated three stars with one or more of the recruiting services. More importantly than that is the fact that we have many players who were offered by Pat 12 schools. This is probably a better indication than stars. Also, we have had some players who committed early and what have received offers if they were open to them Seven home games and the schedule only includes two teams which have as much or better talent.It's one thing to predict a nine and three or 10 2 season when you have a lot of quality teams on the schedule, and another to predict it when you have at least eight teams that are not particularly good. Some of you also seem to forget that at the end of the season we were really banged up. Walter was out Hillman was half speed, our offensive line had two of its best players playing with injurs severe enough that they required surgery. Nevertheless, if we had not had a total breakdown field-goal kicking we would have won 10 games . As forl Rocky being a good coach or not how many times have we seen a guy be successful in one place and flop in another,or i vice versa. No one questions Rocky's ability as a defensive coordinator he has proven that over 20 years. You given the talent that he will produce good defenses. As for offense he always had the right idea which is build a big dominating o'line, quality running backs and a mobile quarterback with an accurate arm. If we had Utah, Texas Christian, and BYU on the schedule plus a couple of BCS teams out of conference I would understand some of your pessimism. However, Army, North Dakota, and San Jose do not match up. Rocky has done a fine job recruiting in the last two years and I see no reason why they cannot be successful. To make statements like you will never be anything above 500 based on what he did at New Mexico is a ilogical. He is not recruiting for New Mexico he is recruiting for San Diego State and therefore has a huge advantage. The young players have the advantage of playing nearly half the season before they play their first league game against Fresno State. They therefore, will have a good deal of experience under their belt by that time. As far as the line being small I suspect Onahu,Galea,Beed to be about 260 and Meredtih 280 that is a decent size defense. No one can predict what will happen in the Big East, we are not yet in it, so let's not get ahead of ourselves. In a nutshell, that's why this year is so important. A truly successful season will give us a favorable impression from those "outsiders" as we exit. A 7-5 record won't cut it and even an 8-4 record may not either. Let's not forget the nBE isn't one of the Big 4/5 conferences, but it is national. It's the biggest stage that we've ever been on so there's a lot at stake for our program. |
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Post by 78aztec82 on Jun 10, 2012 10:42:32 GMT -8
Not sure what this means, if anything (though you can probably guess my interpretation), but Scout (to pick one) shows our national ranking in recruiting was: 2009 100th 2010 77th 2011 93rd 2012 72nd With this formula, we will get into the top 25 in about the year 2035. Of course, the hapless Tom Craft had us in the top 50ish category, with old Miami-type recruiting. This can't possibly be correct - 2010 was clong class, so that means that the beloved Hoke had the one lowest recruiting classes in the country (if you recall everyone was in place before he left and the staff was able to keep 100% of the hoke recruits). At what point would we have fired Hoke? 2003 Ball State 4�8 3�5 T�4th (West) 2004 Ball State 2�9 2�6 6th (West) 2005 Ball State 4�7 4�4 5th (West) 2006 Ball State 5�7 5�3 T�3rd (West) 2007 Ball State 7�6 5�2 2nd (West) L International 2008 Ball State 12�1 8�0 1st (West) Yeah but he had limited resources at ball state and ah, well its different.. he never took a step back, well in 5 years I still say let's let Rocky win less than 8 games before we fire him, i know, kinda crazy, maybe its just me. Stop it. Crazy talk. Fire Hoke now! Sent from my DROID RAZR using ProBoards |
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Post by sleepinggiantsfan on Jun 10, 2012 11:12:07 GMT -8
I don't want to reiterate everything I wrote before I let me see if I can condense it. First, we have more talent on the team and we have had since the Luginbill era. We have about 45 players who were rated three stars with one or more of the recruiting services. More importantly than that is the fact that we have many players who were offered by Pat 12 schools. This is probably a better indication than stars. Also, we have had some players who committed early and what have received offers if they were open to them I always enjoy your posts. The form may need a little work but the substance shows you know what you're talking about. Based on the above, I took the time to check Rivals to see which of our recruits have had offers from schools from AQ conferences. It was a bit laborious but nobody accused me of not being a fanatic. I think the results are enlightening. 2006Davon Brown (CU, Oregon St., WSU) Whitley Fehoko (LSU, Neb., Okla.) Dan Hathaway (Cincy, Louisville) Brandon Sullivan (CU, Maryland) Rico Thomas (Neb., Oregon) 2007Juan Bolanos (ASU, Louisville, WSU) Vincent Brown (Ariz.) Miles Burris (Neb.) Eron Moses (WSU) Michael Snead (CU) DeAndre West (Ariz., CU, Neb.) 2008Alec Johnson (ASU, Kansas, Wash.) Jimmy Miller (WSU) D.J. Shields (WSU) Brian Stahovich (Virg.) Ross Williams (CU) 2009Marcus Andrews (Wash.) Nat Berhe (Minn.) Brandon Chambers (Wash.) Anthony Miller (Okie St.) 2010Perry Jackson (Iowa St.) Adam Muema (CU, WSU) Dontrell Onuahu (CU) J.J. Whitaker (Ariz., Wash. WSU) 2011De'Saan Hardwick (Ariz.) Chad Jeffries (Oregon St., Utah) Sam Meredith (Utah) Paul Rodriguez (ASU, WSU) Jon Sanchez (Ariz.) Brandon Wright (Ariz., ASU, Cal, Ill., Utah) 2012Aaron Boesch (Miami) Arthur Flores (Utah, Vandy) Malcolm Jackson (Ariz., Wash.) Eric Judge (UCLA) Demontae Kazee (Wash.) Austin Maass (CU) Kendrick Mathis (WSU) Kwayde Miller (Oregon, Oregon St., WSU, Wisc.) Lloyd Mills (CU) Matt Morin (ASU) Jeff Overbaugh (Tenn.) Teddy Queen (CU) Nico Siragusa (CU, Oregon St., WSU) The biggest real difference I see in our recent recruiting is that the lower level Pac schools, specifically Arizona, WSU and now Colorado, are no longer getting kids to commit to them rather than us. I think that's huge. Think about it. Steve Fisher once lost out to all the Pac schools in recruiting. He eventually started getting some and now he out-recruits most of them. The result was a Sweet 16 finish two years ago and a great roster for the upcoming season. But it shouldn't be overlooked that it took a decade to get there and for football we're only in Year 4. That doesn't mean we should finish below .500 with this soft-as-a-baby's-butt schedule. However, it looks like we're starting to recruit well enough that we should be OK in the Big East. Next target: Oregon St. |
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Post by myownwords on Jun 10, 2012 13:29:52 GMT -8
I don't want to reiterate everything I wrote before I let me see if I can condense it. First, we have more talent on the team and we have had since the Luginbill era. We have about 45 players who were rated three stars with one or more of the recruiting services. More importantly than that is the fact that we have many players who were offered by Pat 12 schools. This is probably a better indication than stars. Also, we have had some players who committed early and what have received offers if they were open to them I always enjoy your posts. The form may need a little work but the substance shows you know what you're talking about. Based on the above, I took the time to check Rivals to see which of our recruits have had offers from schools from AQ conferences. It was a bit laborious but nobody accused me of not being a fanatic. I think the results are enlightening. 2006Davon Brown (CU, Oregon St., WSU) Whitley Fehoko (LSU, Neb., Okla.) Dan Hathaway (Cincy, Louisville) Brandon Sullivan (CU, Maryland) Rico Thomas (Neb., Oregon) 2007Juan Bolanos (ASU, Louisville, WSU) Vincent Brown (Ariz.) Miles Burris (Neb.) Eron Moses (WSU) Michael Snead (CU) DeAndre West (Ariz., CU, Neb.) 2008Alec Johnson (ASU, Kansas, Wash.) Jimmy Miller (WSU) D.J. Shields (WSU) Brian Stahovich (Virg.) Ross Williams (CU) 2009Marcus Andrews (Wash.) Nat Berhe (Minn.) Brandon Chambers (Wash.) Anthony Miller (Okie St.) 2010Perry Jackson (Iowa St.) Adam Muema (CU, WSU) Dontrell Onuahu (CU) J.J. Whitaker (Ariz., Wash. WSU) 2011De'Saan Hardwick (Ariz.) Chad Jeffries (Oregon St., Utah) Sam Meredith (Utah) Paul Rodriguez (ASU, WSU) Jon Sanchez (Ariz.) Brandon Wright (Ariz., ASU, Cal, Ill., Utah) 2012Aaron Boesch (Miami) Arthur Flores (Utah, Vandy) Malcolm Jackson (Ariz., Wash.) Eric Judge (UCLA) Demontae Kazee (Wash.) Austin Maass (CU) Kendrick Mathis (WSU) Kwayde Miller (Oregon, Oregon St., WSU, Wisc.) Lloyd Mills (CU) Matt Morin (ASU) Jeff Overbaugh (Tenn.) Teddy Queen (CU) Nico Siragusa (CU, Oregon St., WSU) The biggest real difference I see in our recent recruiting is that the lower level Pac schools, specifically Arizona, WSU and now Colorado, are no longer getting kids to commit to them rather than us. I think that's huge. Think about it. Steve Fisher once lost out to all the Pac schools in recruiting. He eventually started getting some and now he out-recruits most of them. The result was a Sweet 16 finish two years ago and a great roster for the upcoming season. But it shouldn't be overlooked that it took a decade to get there and for football we're only in Year 4. That doesn't mean we should finish below .500 with this soft-as-a-baby's-butt schedule. However, it looks like we're starting to recruit well enough that we should be OK in the Big East. Next target: Oregon St. Good work and excellent post SGF. Very helpful. |
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Post by Guest on Jun 10, 2012 18:55:21 GMT -8
i thought it might be a dull summer on aztectalk ---- WRONG ;D i look at the football team performing like Whitney Ashley  rather than become depressed by the Ms. Downers on this board who consider themselves 'realists',  i simply think of what Rocky did to SDSU when he had to recruit players to New Mexico!!!  New Mexico!!!! Come on ladies. Good skiing, D.H Lawrence spent some time there, the Bomb, good weed in the mountains, legacy of Geronimo, but the most apt name lies in the Gila Forest Area, a place called "Hells Hole---beautiful hike into it but dont stay too many nights or you'll understand the name  did i mention billy the kid School is ending so go play with your [grand]children and let a MAN do his job  |
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Post by aztecmusician on Jun 10, 2012 19:47:08 GMT -8
Athlon just Bunned the Aztecs!
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Post by RockNFish on Jun 10, 2012 21:49:01 GMT -8
I always enjoy your posts. The form may need a little work but the substance shows you know what you're talking about. Based on the above, I took the time to check Rivals to see which of our recruits have had offers from schools from AQ conferences. It was a bit laborious but nobody accused me of not being a fanatic. I think the results are enlightening. 2006Davon Brown (CU, Oregon St., WSU) Whitley Fehoko (LSU, Neb., Okla.) Dan Hathaway (Cincy, Louisville) Brandon Sullivan (CU, Maryland) Rico Thomas (Neb., Oregon) 2007Juan Bolanos (ASU, Louisville, WSU) Vincent Brown (Ariz.) Miles Burris (Neb.) Eron Moses (WSU) Michael Snead (CU) DeAndre West (Ariz., CU, Neb.) 2008Alec Johnson (ASU, Kansas, Wash.) Jimmy Miller (WSU) D.J. Shields (WSU) Brian Stahovich (Virg.) Ross Williams (CU) 2009Marcus Andrews (Wash.) Nat Berhe (Minn.) Brandon Chambers (Wash.) Anthony Miller (Okie St.) 2010Perry Jackson (Iowa St.) Adam Muema (CU, WSU) Dontrell Onuahu (CU) J.J. Whitaker (Ariz., Wash. WSU) 2011De'Saan Hardwick (Ariz.) Chad Jeffries (Oregon St., Utah) Sam Meredith (Utah) Paul Rodriguez (ASU, WSU) Jon Sanchez (Ariz.) Brandon Wright (Ariz., ASU, Cal, Ill., Utah) 2012Aaron Boesch (Miami) Arthur Flores (Utah, Vandy) Malcolm Jackson (Ariz., Wash.) Eric Judge (UCLA) Demontae Kazee (Wash.) Austin Maass (CU) Kendrick Mathis (WSU) Kwayde Miller (Oregon, Oregon St., WSU, Wisc.) Lloyd Mills (CU) Matt Morin (ASU) Jeff Overbaugh (Tenn.) Teddy Queen (CU) Nico Siragusa (CU, Oregon St., WSU) The biggest real difference I see in our recent recruiting is that the lower level Pac schools, specifically Arizona, WSU and now Colorado, are no longer getting kids to commit to them rather than us. I think that's huge. Think about it. Steve Fisher once lost out to all the Pac schools in recruiting. He eventually started getting some and now he out-recruits most of them. The result was a Sweet 16 finish two years ago and a great roster for the upcoming season. But it shouldn't be overlooked that it took a decade to get there and for football we're only in Year 4. That doesn't mean we should finish below .500 with this soft-as-a-baby's-butt schedule. However, it looks like we're starting to recruit well enough that we should be OK in the Big East. Next target: Oregon St. Good work and excellent post SGF. Very helpful. Can't be accurate because we all know Rocky can't recruit. |
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Post by AztecTom on Jun 10, 2012 21:50:57 GMT -8
Good work and excellent post SGF. Very helpful. Can't be accurate because we all know Rocky can't recruit. Anyone at this point bagging on or questioning Rocky is a moron and has no clue on what they are talking about! |
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Post by Ron Burgundy on Jun 11, 2012 8:05:51 GMT -8
2012Aaron Boesch (Miami) Arthur Flores (Utah, Vandy) Malcolm Jackson (Ariz., Wash.) Eric Judge (UCLA) Demontae Kazee (Wash.) Austin Maass (CU) Kendrick Mathis (WSU) Kwayde Miller (Oregon, Oregon St., WSU, Wisc.) Lloyd Mills (CU) Matt Morin (ASU) Jeff Overbaugh (Tenn.) Teddy Queen (CU) Nico Siragusa (CU, Oregon St., WSU) The biggest real difference I see in our recent recruiting is that the lower level Pac schools, specifically Arizona, WSU and now Colorado, are no longer getting kids to commit to them rather than us. I think that's huge. Next target: Oregon St. We play OSU the next two years. 2 wins could really help out our recruiting fight against them. |
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Post by sleepinggiantsfan on Jun 11, 2012 8:24:13 GMT -8
We play OSU the next two years. 2 wins could really help out our recruiting fight against them. I didn't know that and agree those two games are very important for that reason alone. We need to get to a point where we out-recruit a few Pac-12 schools on a regular basis. WSU is going to be tough since they've hired a great coach rather than a bumbling fool. However, Mike Riley's on the downhill slide and Colorado is a complete mess (they got Bohned). So particularly moving to the BE, there's no reason we shouldn't be able to stomp those two at least. Maybe Cal too if Tedford continues to struggle. |
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