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Anderson Cooper is proud to be gay. Why? « Thread Started on Jul 4, 2012, 5:04pm »
Supposedly big news has just come out of the Big Apple. TV newscaster Anderson Cooper has announced publicly a fact that his colleagues have known for a log time, namely that he is homosexual (Okay, if that bothers you, he's "gay").
All right, I get it. Anderson Cooper won't be asking the Sweetheart of Sigma Chi for a date any time soon. Fine with me; knowing this about him has no effect on my opinion of the man. But he does not stop there. In his public announcement he goes on to state that he is "proud" of his sexuality.
Call me stupid if you like (and worse epithets likely will be coming my way), but I don't get it. I am heterosexual and am neither proud nor ashamed of that. I am what I am with no apologies. Why would I apologize? I am (on a good day) about 5' 10" tall. should I be ashamed that I am not 6' 2" tall (which in fact I wish I were). If I were 6' 2" tall would I have cause to be proud of my height? I don't think so. So why is Cooper proud of his sexuality?
It seems to me that no one should ever be proud or ashamed of his or sexuality per se. Now, how one behaves sexually is another matter. A straight man who forcibly rapes a woman has plenty to be ashamed of, just as does a gay man who molests a 10 year-old boy. In both cases, it is the action, not the basic orientation that should cause shame.
As for homosexuals, why isn't if enough simply to say, "Hey, I'm gay. Case closed"? Pride (or shame) should be the correct reaction to something we have done deliberately. Such things as physical size or appearance, ethnic origin, or, as I am suggesting in this thread, one's sexuality are just there and not under one's control. Especially in America, it's what you do with what you were born with that counts.
I am in one way criticizing Anderson Cooper. As far as I know he is a solid citizen and highly skilled in his profession. I do wonder, however, whether he might have been better served simply to announce his sexuality and let it go at that.
AzWm
« Last Edit: Jul 4, 2012, 5:49pm by AztecWilliam »
Re: Anderson Cooper is proud to be gay. Why? « Reply #2 on Jul 5, 2012, 10:03am »
William, I am sure you know that for generations being homosexual was stigmatized, at best, in society. Certainly you know that many still feel that should continue. One of our own posters is wont to throw homoerotic insults around when he is unable give a coherent response to a post. Against that background being "proud"of his sexuality is probably a statement in response to those who would still stigmatize his sexuality. JMO
How selfish soever man may be supposed, there are evidently some principles in his nature which interest him in the fortune of others, and render their happiness necessary to him, though he derives nothing from it except the pleasure of seeing it. Adam Smith
William, I am sure you know that for generations being homosexual was stigmatized, at best, in society. Certainly you know that many still feel that should continue. One of our own posters is wont to throw homoerotic insults around when he is unable give a coherent response to a post. Against that background being "proud"of his sexuality is probably a statement in response to those who would still stigmatize his sexuality. JMO
Excellent response! I think you are 100% correct. However, I am suggesting that gay people should not fall into the trap of overcompensating. In fact, I think that my idea of such a person merely announcing his sexual orientation without further comment is a better tactic than trying to defend that orientation as Cooper did. By saying that he was proud of his homosexuality, he seemed to be saying, "Well, I can't just say that I am gay, now can I?" My answer to that is that, yes, indeed, you can just say that. Nothing more should be expected of you. If people don't like that, too bad.
Re: Anderson Cooper is proud to be gay. Why? « Reply #4 on Jul 7, 2012, 11:28am »
This is part of the double standard. The libexxls always push to spend your money. Geitner the head of the IRS is allowed to cheat on his taxes. There is accepted a Miss Black America, not the opposite. I am not allowed to dress out in the women's locker room, and why is that? Oh the reason I am not allowed to dress out in the women's locker room is erased for those men who prefer men. Double standard.
So what, and who really cares that Anderson Cooper, sounds like a defunct Big Eight nerdy accounting firm anyway, is or isn't? Dude's "coming out" certainly was a last attempt for attention. His tv program's ratings must be in the dumps.
This just allows the government more room to erase individual freedoms when we are commanded to accept what we don't want. Taxes, over spending, killer national debt, stupid bullet trains that will cost the State trillions of dollars at taxpayer expense, corrupt government, Franchise Tax Board stooges who get away with breaking the law all the time, and....
Supposedly big news has just come out of the Big Apple. TV newscaster Anderson Cooper has announced publicly a fact that his colleagues have known for a log time, namely that he is homosexual (Okay, if that bothers you, he's "gay").
All right, I get it. Anderson Cooper won't be asking the Sweetheart of Sigma Chi for a date any time soon. Fine with me; knowing this about him has no effect on my opinion of the man. But he does not stop there. In his public announcement he goes on to state that he is "proud" of his sexuality.
Call me stupid if you like (and worse epithets likely will be coming my way), but I don't get it.
I won't call you stupid, I'll simply call you a bigot because you "don't get it".
Supposedly big news has just come out of the Big Apple. TV newscaster Anderson Cooper has announced publicly a fact that his colleagues have known for a log time, namely that he is homosexual (Okay, if that bothers you, he's "gay").
All right, I get it. Anderson Cooper won't be asking the Sweetheart of Sigma Chi for a date any time soon. Fine with me; knowing this about him has no effect on my opinion of the man. But he does not stop there. In his public announcement he goes on to state that he is "proud" of his sexuality.
Call me stupid if you like (and worse epithets likely will be coming my way), but I don't get it. I am heterosexual and am neither proud nor ashamed of that. I am what I am with no apologies. Why would I apologize? I am (on a good day) about 5' 10" tall. should I be ashamed that I am not 6' 2" tall (which in fact I wish I were). If I were 6' 2" tall would I have cause to be proud of my height? I don't think so. So why is Cooper proud of his sexuality?
It seems to me that no one should ever be proud or ashamed of his or sexuality per se. Now, how one behaves sexually is another matter. A straight man who forcibly rapes a woman has plenty to be ashamed of, just as does a gay man who molests a 10 year-old boy. In both cases, it is the action, not the basic orientation that should cause shame.
As for homosexuals, why isn't if enough simply to say, "Hey, I'm gay. Case closed"? Pride (or shame) should be the correct reaction to something we have done deliberately. Such things as physical size or appearance, ethnic origin, or, as I am suggesting in this thread, one's sexuality are just there and not under one's control. Especially in America, it's what you do with what you were born with that counts.
I am in one way criticizing Anderson Cooper. As far as I know he is a solid citizen and highly skilled in his profession. I do wonder, however, whether he might have been better served simply to announce his sexuality and let it go at that.
AzWm
Agree 100% Thinking the same thing. I am poud to have blue eyes,huh,I would rather have purple eyes though.
Supposedly big news has just come out of the Big Apple. TV newscaster Anderson Cooper has announced publicly a fact that his colleagues have known for a log time, namely that he is homosexual (Okay, if that bothers you, he's "gay").
All right, I get it. Anderson Cooper won't be asking the Sweetheart of Sigma Chi for a date any time soon. Fine with me; knowing this about him has no effect on my opinion of the man. But he does not stop there. In his public announcement he goes on to state that he is "proud" of his sexuality.
Call me stupid if you like (and worse epithets likely will be coming my way), but I don't get it.
I won't call you stupid, I'll simply call you a bigot because you "don't get it".
=Bob
Oh, go ahead, Bob. What the hell! Call me stupid if you like.
Supposedly big news has just come out of the Big Apple. TV newscaster Anderson Cooper has announced publicly a fact that his colleagues have known for a log time, namely that he is homosexual (Okay, if that bothers you, he's "gay").
All right, I get it. Anderson Cooper won't be asking the Sweetheart of Sigma Chi for a date any time soon. Fine with me; knowing this about him has no effect on my opinion of the man. But he does not stop there. In his public announcement he goes on to state that he is "proud" of his sexuality.
Call me stupid if you like (and worse epithets likely will be coming my way), but I don't get it. I am heterosexual and am neither proud nor ashamed of that. I am what I am with no apologies. Why would I apologize? I am (on a good day) about 5' 10" tall. should I be ashamed that I am not 6' 2" tall (which in fact I wish I were). If I were 6' 2" tall would I have cause to be proud of my height? I don't think so. So why is Cooper proud of his sexuality?
It seems to me that no one should ever be proud or ashamed of his or sexuality per se. Now, how one behaves sexually is another matter. A straight man who forcibly rapes a woman has plenty to be ashamed of, just as does a gay man who molests a 10 year-old boy. In both cases, it is the action, not the basic orientation that should cause shame.
As for homosexuals, why isn't if enough simply to say, "Hey, I'm gay. Case closed"? Pride (or shame) should be the correct reaction to something we have done deliberately. Such things as physical size or appearance, ethnic origin, or, as I am suggesting in this thread, one's sexuality are just there and not under one's control. Especially in America, it's what you do with what you were born with that counts.
I am in one way criticizing Anderson Cooper. As far as I know he is a solid citizen and highly skilled in his profession. I do wonder, however, whether he might have been better served simply to announce his sexuality and let it go at that.
AzWm
Agree 100% Thinking the same thing. I am poud to have blue eyes,huh,I would rather have purple eyes though.
LOL
You guys really don't get it, do you?
Gays for centuries have been ashamed to come out due to the social and political ramifications that results from "coming out." Even today, the hardest thing for many gays in "coming out." I'm straight, but a gay friend of mine told me about how he lost his entire family and I'm pretty much one of two friends who didn't bail on him once he came out. If you cannot tell, I'm trying to illustrate a picture of the shame a gay person lives with for being gay.
So to come out and to be proud of it is something that goes against what gays are conditioned to behave and think.
Hair lips, for centuries have been ashamed to come out due to the social and political ramifications that results from "coming out." Even today, the hardest thing for many hair lips in "coming out." I'm straight, but a hair lip friend of mine told me about how he lost his entire family and I'm pretty much one of two friends who didn't bail on him once he came out as a hair lip. If you cannot tell, I'm trying to illustrate a picture of the shame a hair lip person lives with for being a hair lip.
So to come out and to be proud of it is something that goes against what hair lips are conditioned to behave and think.
Slow people for centuries have been ashamed to come out due to the social and political ramifications that results from "coming out." Even today, the hardest thing for many slow people in "coming out." I'm straight, but a slow friend of mine told me about how he lost his entire family and I'm pretty much one of two friends who didn't bail on him once he came out. If you cannot tell, I'm trying to illustrate a picture of the shame a slow person lives with for being slow.
So to come out and to be proud of it is something that goes against what slow people are conditioned to behave and think.
Re: Anderson Cooper is proud to be gay. Why? « Reply #11 on Jul 10, 2012, 8:58pm »
You guys really don't get it, do you?
College graduates for centuries have been ashamed to come out due to the anger of non-college graduates, socially and politically. Even today, the hardest thing for many college graduates is to say to non-college graduates, hey, I'm coming out and telling you, I'm a college graduate. A college graduate friend of mine, told me about how he lost his entire family and I'm pretty much one of two friends who didn't bail on him once he came out and told everyone he had graduated from college. If you cannot tell, I'm trying to illustrate a picture of the shame a college graduate lives with for being a college graduate.
So to come out and to be proud of it is something that goes against what college graduates are conditioned to behave and think.
So be very considerate and careful around non-college graduates. They DON'T like you...
Re: Anderson Cooper is proud to be gay. Why? « Reply #12 on Jul 11, 2012, 9:24am »
Actually, I wasn't kidding, although you should detect some humorous slants in my post. I did receive the full brunt of discrimmination, invectiveness, and ridicule when I received my BSAASBAA from San Diego State and, proudly visited my high school "friends". It is that, the group in this thread, just has to act like they are the only ones who get slandered, smeared, and smacked around. There are many, many ways people get punked. That the left always focuses on three is stupid.
In corporate work, if you are tall, you get preferences...
College graduates for centuries have been ashamed to come out due to the anger of non-college graduates, socially and politically. Even today, the hardest thing for many college graduates is to say to non-college graduates, hey, I'm coming out and telling you, I'm a college graduate. A college graduate friend of mine, told me about how he lost his entire family and I'm pretty much one of two friends who didn't bail on him once he came out and told everyone he had graduated from college. If you cannot tell, I'm trying to illustrate a picture of the shame a college graduate lives with for being a college graduate.
So to come out and to be proud of it is something that goes against what college graduates are conditioned to behave and think.
So be very considerate and careful around non-college graduates. They DON'T like you...
HAM Tax
LOL
You'd have an actual point if you were born a college graduate.
Hair lips, for centuries have been ashamed to come out due to the social and political ramifications that results from "coming out." Even today, the hardest thing for many hair lips in "coming out." I'm straight, but a hair lip friend of mine told me about how he lost his entire family and I'm pretty much one of two friends who didn't bail on him once he came out as a hair lip. If you cannot tell, I'm trying to illustrate a picture of the shame a hair lip person lives with for being a hair lip.
So to come out and to be proud of it is something that goes against what hair lips are conditioned to behave and think.
What don't I get?
HAM Tax
You're getting closer. You almost got a foul tip. Gold Star for HAM!
Slow people for centuries have been ashamed to come out due to the social and political ramifications that results from "coming out." Even today, the hardest thing for many slow people in "coming out." I'm straight, but a slow friend of mine told me about how he lost his entire family and I'm pretty much one of two friends who didn't bail on him once he came out. If you cannot tell, I'm trying to illustrate a picture of the shame a slow person lives with for being slow.
So to come out and to be proud of it is something that goes against what slow people are conditioned to behave and think.
Is a, "bi-got", a got that goes two ways?
HAM Tax
Are you thinking about switching teams? Is it a strike season for you, HAM?
Supposedly big news has just come out of the Big Apple. TV newscaster Anderson Cooper has announced publicly a fact that his colleagues have known for a log time, namely that he is homosexual (Okay, if that bothers you, he's "gay"). As far as I know he is a solid citizen and highly skilled in his profession. I do wonder, however, whether he might have been better served simply to announce his sexuality and let it go at that.
AzWm
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