Re: BE or MWC « Reply #40 on Jan 2, 2013, 5:39pm »
Can't vote yet. Need to know specifically what the mutually agreed upon terms are mentioned in the Boise St. contract regarding the SDSU option to reapply/return. Hoping Sterk is quietly getting Pac12/B1G/Big12/ACC schedueling agreements over the next 4-5 years for SDSU.
Why would anyone want to spilt up our sports teams so they can join a no name bus league for basketball, and join a has been basketball cobference for football only?
Mens basketball is the only sport that is worse in the big west.
The truth of the matter, though, is that the only college sports that matter are football and basketball. We really have to look for the strongest conference for both.
Re: BE or MWC « Reply #44 on Jan 2, 2013, 6:39pm »
I'm very confused.....how could the BE be better than the MWC....you'll be a conference that no longer really wants you (unless you find a decent travel partner....decent being the key word), and you'll be joining a conference with no TV deal, and no guarantee of one.
The market rate for a conference equal to BETTER than the BE is the MWC..... so don't expect more than what you'd have here.
and to top it off, you're ruining basketball....which has been your bread and butter lately. Makes ZERO sense, unless you're looking at baseball.
Mens basketball is the only sport that is worse in the big west.
The truth of the matter, though, is that the only college sports that matter are football and basketball. We really have to look for the strongest conference for both.
Thats not the best attitude but okay for making money in the broke CSU system you are right. Football usually brings inthe most money but BB is the sport where SD is really becoming a powerhouse. I thought that moving BB down a couple notches to the BW just so you can get into the Big East was counter-productive. With basketball a non-power school can actually hope to maintain a dominant program. With the NCAAT tournament you can almost always make a national splash every year. I can't see SD doing that in football long term. Its too costly. So they ended up throwing their good BB program under the bus for a pie-in-the-sky chance to play in a BCS bowl? Right when their BB program is on fire? Makes no sense... BB should be the priority unless you could move everything to say... the Big12. THAT would be a good move. The PAC won't accept a Cal State school, so that is the only avenue left I think...
The truth of the matter, though, is that the only college sports that matter are football and basketball. We really have to look for the strongest conference for both.
Thats not the best attitude but okay for making money in the broke CSU system you are right. Football usually brings inthe most money but BB is the sport where SD is really becoming a powerhouse. I thought that moving BB down a couple notches to the BW just so you can get into the Big East was counter-productive. With basketball a non-power school can actually hope to maintain a dominant program. With the NCAAT tournament you can almost always make a national splash every year. I can't see SD doing that in football long term. Its too costly. So they ended up throwing their good BB program under the bus for a pie-in-the-sky chance to play in a BCS bowl? Right when their BB program is on fire? Makes no sense... BB should be the priority unless you could move everything to say... the Big12. THAT would be a good move. The PAC won't accept a Cal State school, so that is the only avenue left I think...
Not doing whatever is best for football would kill any chances of going to the B12.
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Re: BE or MWC « Reply #50 on Jan 2, 2013, 8:35pm »
I choose nBE, I believe our future possibilities are better situated from there. More national exposure will help our chances to move into the top 64 teams.
Here's are 2012 attendance numbers of all the teams in question
ECU
47,013
USF
44,130
Uconn
34,672
UCF
34,608
SDSU
30,227
Cincinatti
29,138
Houston
27,247
Temple
26,580
Memphis
24,371
SMU
21,292
Tulane
18,085
Average
30,669
Average 2014+? (w/o Cinncinatti and UConn)
30,395
Average 2013 (w/o ECU and Tulane)
30,252
Navy's (will they still join?) attendance was 32,363
Re: BE or MWC « Reply #51 on Jan 2, 2013, 9:02pm »
We did not sign up for this New Big East....It would be absolutely ridiculous for us to stay in this league. It is a near guarantee that UConn and Cincy will be out the first chance they get.
I choose nBE, I believe our future possibilities are better situated from there. More national exposure will help our chances to move into the top 64 teams.
Here's are 2012 attendance numbers of all the teams in question
ECU
47,013
USF
44,130
Uconn
34,672
UCF
34,608
SDSU
30,227
Cincinatti
29,138
Houston
27,247
Temple
26,580
Memphis
24,371
SMU
21,292
Tulane
18,085
Average
30,669
Average 2014+? (w/o Cinncinatti and UConn)
30,395
Average 2013 (w/o ECU and Tulane)
30,252
Navy's (will they still join?) attendance was 32,363
Boise
35,404
Air Force
32,015
Fresno
30,915
Hawaii
30,031
Reno
23,432
New Mexico
22,307
Utah St
20,054
Wyoming
19,555
Colorado St
19,250
UNLV
15,208
SJSU
10,789
Average
23,542
By pretty much any metric you want to use the NBE schools are still better than the MWaC schools.
so SJSU and Utah State had their best years ever, or at least last quarter/half century, and drew less combined than the nBe average
Adding them was a mistake, no question. Still, so doing saved SJSU football. I know almost nobody here but me cares about that, but that's the glass half full side of it in my book.
And sorry, but I'm going to defend NTU a bit again here. We're in this dilemma because we allowed our football program to go to crap for a decade. I really don't feel at all responsible since I had season tickets throughout that time and put more than my share of effort into pushing to get rid of Chuck Long before it was too late.
But I'm just tired of these battles now. Tired of beating my head against the wall hoping it will fall when all that happens is a few chinks in the cinderblock and a lot of headaches for me.
So I respect the efforts of some of you younger guys. I also understand that if you haven't been out in the working world, your ability to contribute financially is very limited. However, if SDSU football is going to survive this, a lot more younger people are going to have to step up because it isn't just me who's losing the fire in his belly.
so SJSU and Utah State had their best years ever, or at least last quarter/half century, and drew less combined than the nBe average
Adding them was a mistake, no question. Still, so doing saved SJSU football. I know almost nobody here but me cares about that, but that's the glass half full side of it in my book.
And sorry, but I'm going to defend NTU a bit again here. We're in this dilemma because we allowed our football program to go to crap for a decade. I really don't feel at all responsible since I had season tickets throughout that time and put more than my share of effort into pushing to get rid of Chuck Long before it was too late.
But I'm just tired of these battles now. Tired of beating my head against the wall hoping it will fall when all that happens is a few chinks in the cinderblock and a lot of headaches for me.
So I respect the efforts of some of you younger guys. I also understand that if you haven't been out in the working world, your ability to contribute financially is very limited. However, if SDSU football is going to survive this, a lot more younger people are going to have to step up because it isn't just me who's losing the fire in his belly.
Agreed. As much as I bag on blue hairs, which you aren't by the way, its the younger generation that needs to step their game up. If you're an SDSU alumn under 50 and aren't donating at the very least the Fighting Aztec level to the Aztec Club...for shame.
Re: BE or MWC « Reply #58 on Jan 2, 2013, 11:40pm »
The only way I would ever want to go back to the nWAC is if we get the exact same deal as Noise. Obviously, the conference can't even afford one of those deals so we'll get nothing. No way in hell I want back in as a step-child of Noise.
I choose nBE, I believe our future possibilities are better situated from there. More national exposure will help our chances to move into the top 64 teams.
Here's are 2012 attendance numbers of all the teams in question
ECU
47,013
USF
44,130
Uconn
34,672
UCF
34,608
SDSU
30,227
Cincinatti
29,138
Houston
27,247
Temple
26,580
Memphis
24,371
SMU
21,292
Tulane
18,085
Average
30,669
Average 2014+? (w/o Cinncinatti and UConn)
30,395
Average 2013 (w/o ECU and Tulane)
30,252
Navy's (will they still join?) attendance was 32,363
Boise
35,404
Air Force
32,015
Fresno
30,915
Hawaii
30,031
Reno
23,432
New Mexico
22,307
Utah St
20,054
Wyoming
19,555
Colorado St
19,250
UNLV
15,208
SJSU
10,789
Average
23,542
By pretty much any metric you want to use the NBE schools are still better than the MWaC schools.
Okay, so I'm not here to pick a fight... or even to go out of my way to defend SJSU's dismal attendance numbers... but I'm not sure BITS equates into "national exposure" as much as the efficacy of the media deal your conference has. Moreover, notwithstanding the very top programs (I'm thinking "habitual" top 15 or so), isn't there recent data out there that says attendance has taken a hit at many "top" football programs of late? For example, I remember seeing some pretty shocking photos of dismal Miami Home crowd attendance of late...
Anyway, right now, the BSU-MWC "reconciliation" is as clear as mud on certain levels. In College Football Fandom, the financial aspect will shake itself out over time one way or other; you'll just have to trust your peanut counters to interpret what it may or may not mean to the Mesa, i.e., if a return "invite" to the MWC is indeed imminent.
What's clear here is that, at close to 50%-50% in the vote tally, this conference conundrum is about as polarizing as it gets for Aztec fans. Whatever SDSU decides, lots of people will be happy and lots more will be sad (mad).
As to the pure attendance numbers, I think it's pretty easy to quantify how much losing BYU's 64k average, Utah's 45k average and TCU's 40k average attendance hurt's the overall perception of interest by MWC fans. It hurts a lot. Not only did those teams draw well at home, but they did so on the road, too, in the process pushing teams like UNLV or Wyoming to heights they probably normally wouldn't see. Surely, SDSU benefitted as well.
Similarly, and to be fair, I think you therefore have to project out how the exodus of the "tenured" Big East teams will eventually impact a left-behind team like Temple or UConn, etc. IMO, it won't be pretty, so to make a fair comparison you have to factor in all those top teams' departures. The fact is, none of us has seen the net effect of that yet. How do any of you know their fans will (would've) come (came) out in droves to play SDSU? You don't...
That said, with BYU, Utah and TCU off to greener pastures, I can see why SDSU would want to "mimic" their path to greater $$$ and better competition (perhaps excepting BYU's indy run). However, the fact is the Aztecs just didn't have the football stripes to make the leap. Not saying that they may not be on the way to achieving that, but the Cougs, Utes and Horned Frogs all achieved at an ultra-high "Non-AQ" level for a really long time. Had that not been the case I think we all know they'd still be in a similar predicament as the Aztecs.
In the final analysis, SDSU and (formerly) Boise have been trying to shoot at a moving target (i.e., the Big East TV deal), all the while being effectively blindfolded. Given the latest MWC maneuverings, once some of your athletic programs are forced into that proverbial target range it makes actually taking a "shot" nowthat much more potentially deadly.
Some of you would take it; some wouldn't. To me, it seems as if a return to the MWC is tantamount to offering SDSU a used gun with questionable ammunition. It might work, it might not. There's some risk in shooting that old boy at the range, but at least you'd have something tangible to shoot when it comes to doing so. It'd be your job to clean it up the best you can, improve your aim and, eventually, acquire and all new targets that may become available.
In this day and age of profound human tragedy, I realize that this gun analogy might be considered very poor form, but you get my drift. If you don't, I apologize in advance for offending anyone.
That much-needed qualification off my chest, right now, all I can think of is the NBe being more akin to thumbing through the NRA gun catalog and drooling at all the new guns that'd you'd think you'd probably like to try out. Unfortunately, when you read the fine print and consider all the incidental costs (risks), etc., you soon realize that they're either out of stock with what you really want, or are simply too expensive to buy, you know, for what may amount to just one go 'round (year)...
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