Plenty don't. we also can't afford to ship women's softball and the other nearly dozen black hole title ix female sports all over the country. The below average west is just a sojourn, not a destination.
This guy thought enough of the BW to send everyone there
He thought it was a near bus drive for those dozen or so money pit title ix sports for a few years while we see what shakes out the next decade
6. The new members of the BL will have less money relative to the teams in the big four leagues. They'll just have more than they would have had in their old leagues.
As only a few can endeavor to actually manipulate the flow of collegiate largess, and since we are not one of the chosen few, the only real remaining play is to acknowledge that "more" is indeed more and make a grab for some of it. Thus logically, the BE is the only move to make, yes?
Re: Big East Reaches Exit Agreement With Pittsburg « Reply #23 on Jul 19, 2012, 11:27pm »
I got to thinking about this new Big East and thought I would take a look at what conference each school was in a few short years ago.......
Louisville - in 2005 were in Conference USA Rutgers - 1996 Atlantic 10, 1997 Big East UConn - 2000 Atlantic 10, 2004 Big East Boise - 2005 in WAC, MWC Houston - 2005 Conference USA SMU - 2005 Conference USA Central Florida - Conference USA South Florida - 2005 Conference USA Memphis - 2005 Conference USA Temple - 2005 Indy SDSU - 2005 Mountain West
Summary: 6 Conference USA Teams 2 Mountain West 2 Big East (by way of Atlantic 10) 1 Indy
So what conference are we really joining? You guessed it Conference USA.
I am not thinking the move is any worse than where we were, but it is not much better.
Trying to compare to the ACC is a reach. The ACC is miles ahead of the new Conference USA, I mean Big East.
I got to thinking about this new Big East and thought I would take a look at what conference each school was in a few short years ago.......
Louisville - in 2005 were in Conference USA Rutgers - 1996 Atlantic 10, 1997 Big East UConn - 2000 Atlantic 10, 2004 Big East Boise - 2005 in WAC, MWC Houston - 2005 Conference USA SMU - 2005 Conference USA Central Florida - Conference USA South Florida - 2005 Conference USA Memphis - 2005 Conference USA Temple - 2005 Indy SDSU - 2005 Mountain West
Summary: 6 Conference USA Teams 2 Mountain West 2 Big East (by way of Atlantic 10) 1 Indy
So what conference are we really joining? You guessed it Conference USA.
I am not thinking the move is any worse than where we were, but it is not much better.
Trying to compare to the ACC is a reach. The ACC is miles ahead of the new Conference USA, I mean Big East.
The top teams from each of those conferences is better than any of those conferences.
And by the way... ACC has more recognizable names and history but from ESPN Adelson...
Going back to the first BCS game in 1999, the ACC is 2-13 all-time; The Big East is 8-6.
The ACC has gotten two schools into the BCS just once, and that was this past season, when Clemson got embarrassed by a Big East school and Virginia Tech lost again. And let's not forget, the Big East and the ACC are the only conferences to send teams with at least three losses to a BCS game multiple times.
One more: Since 2005, the Big East has had three teams finish the season with just one loss. Two of them -- Cincinnati and Louisville -- are remaining members. Let's add in future members, just for fun. That would give the Big East six more (Boise State 5, Houston 1). By comparison, the ACC has had zero teams finish with just one loss in the same time frame.
But I do think you're on to something - playing New Mexico ever year in football has got to help the program
I got to thinking about this new Big East and thought I would take a look at what conference each school was in a few short years ago.......
Louisville - in 2005 were in Conference USA Rutgers - 1996 Atlantic 10, 1997 Big East UConn - 2000 Atlantic 10, 2004 Big East Boise - 2005 in WAC, MWC Houston - 2005 Conference USA SMU - 2005 Conference USA Central Florida - Conference USA South Florida - 2005 Conference USA Memphis - 2005 Conference USA Temple - 2005 Indy SDSU - 2005 Mountain West
Summary: 6 Conference USA Teams 2 Mountain West 2 Big East (by way of Atlantic 10) 1 Indy
So what conference are we really joining? You guessed it Conference USA.
I am not thinking the move is any worse than where we were, but it is not much better.
Trying to compare to the ACC is a reach. The ACC is miles ahead of the new Conference USA, I mean Big East.
Another fool making comparisons using conferences that no longer exist. Who gives a $#!+ what conference a school used to be in? It has zero bearing on the quality of the current program. Furthermore these new BE schools largely had success with the minimal budgets that comes along with being in non-power conferences. Recruiting certainly isn't going to suffer as these schools get more money and more exposure. As is the conferences aren't separated by much, wait until Boise, SDSU, Houston, etc. have a little coin in their pocket. Not to mention that you fail to consider what $#!+ the MWC will be with the leftovers it's stuck with.
Do you think the PAC 12 cares that 8 members used to be in the PCC and 3 were in the WAC? Did Utah pause before joining and think "wait a second, we are really just joining the PCC."
Man, your post is just more proof that the people in favor of this move are the only ones capable of making a decent argument against it.
Re: Big East Reaches Exit Agreement With Pittsburg « Reply #26 on Jul 20, 2012, 12:23am »
The ACC has parity....I think it will be hard to find a team that runs the conference table. The top of the ACC is not as strong as most, but they do have decent depth within the conference. The ACC is not a juggernaut, but no slouch either.
I got to thinking about this new Big East and thought I would take a look at what conference each school was in a few short years ago.......
Louisville - in 2005 were in Conference USA Rutgers - 1996 Atlantic 10, 1997 Big East UConn - 2000 Atlantic 10, 2004 Big East Boise - 2005 in WAC, MWC Houston - 2005 Conference USA SMU - 2005 Conference USA Central Florida - Conference USA South Florida - 2005 Conference USA Memphis - 2005 Conference USA Temple - 2005 Indy SDSU - 2005 Mountain West
Summary: 6 Conference USA Teams 2 Mountain West 2 Big East (by way of Atlantic 10) 1 Indy
So what conference are we really joining? You guessed it Conference USA.
I am not thinking the move is any worse than where we were, but it is not much better.
Trying to compare to the ACC is a reach. The ACC is miles ahead of the new Conference USA, I mean Big East.
Or we could stay with the other teams no one wants from the WAC new and old
You are another one trying to pretend like TCU, Utah, BYU and Boise are still in the MWC when they've been replaced with a bunch of scrubs.
The ACC has parity....I think it will be hard to find a team that runs the conference table. The top of the ACC is not as strong as most, but they do have decent depth within the conference. The ACC is not a juggernaut, but no slouch either.
And you've just described the new Big Least as well. More tradition in the ACC, but the football will be about the same, and both light years ahead of the new mwc
I got to thinking about this new Big East and thought I would take a look at what conference each school was in a few short years ago.......
Louisville - in 2005 were in Conference USA Rutgers - 1996 Atlantic 10, 1997 Big East UConn - 2000 Atlantic 10, 2004 Big East Boise - 2005 in WAC, MWC Houston - 2005 Conference USA SMU - 2005 Conference USA Central Florida - Conference USA South Florida - 2005 Conference USA Memphis - 2005 Conference USA Temple - 2005 Indy SDSU - 2005 Mountain West
Summary: 6 Conference USA Teams 2 Mountain West 2 Big East (by way of Atlantic 10) 1 Indy
So what conference are we really joining? You guessed it Conference USA.
I am not thinking the move is any worse than where we were, but it is not much better.
Trying to compare to the ACC is a reach. The ACC is miles ahead of the new Conference USA, I mean Big East.
Another fool making comparisons using conferences that no longer exist. Who gives a $#!+ what conference a school used to be in? It has zero bearing on the quality of the current program. Furthermore these new BE schools largely had success with the minimal budgets that comes along with being in non-power conferences. Recruiting certainly isn't going to suffer as these schools get more money and more exposure. As is the conferences aren't separated by much, wait until Boise, SDSU, Houston, etc. have a little coin in their pocket. Not to mention that you fail to consider what $#!+ the MWC will be with the leftovers it's stuck with.
Do you think the PAC 12 cares that 8 members used to be in the PCC and 3 were in the WAC? Did Utah pause before joining and think "wait a second, we are really just joining the PCC."
Man, your post is just more proof that the people in favor of this move are the only ones capable of making a decent argument against it.
..Sent from my HTC Evo..
You missed the point. Not long ago the teams of the new big east were all what they call "mid-majors".....not long ago is key. The new conference is better than what the MWC will be, but nothing more than what it was like when the MWC was formed.
I got to thinking about this new Big East and thought I would take a look at what conference each school was in a few short years ago.......
Louisville - in 2005 were in Conference USA Rutgers - 1996 Atlantic 10, 1997 Big East UConn - 2000 Atlantic 10, 2004 Big East Boise - 2005 in WAC, MWC Houston - 2005 Conference USA SMU - 2005 Conference USA Central Florida - Conference USA South Florida - 2005 Conference USA Memphis - 2005 Conference USA Temple - 2005 Indy SDSU - 2005 Mountain West
Summary: 6 Conference USA Teams 2 Mountain West 2 Big East (by way of Atlantic 10) 1 Indy
So what conference are we really joining? You guessed it Conference USA.
I am not thinking the move is any worse than where we were, but it is not much better.
Trying to compare to the ACC is a reach. The ACC is miles ahead of the new Conference USA, I mean Big East.
Had you gone back a little further, you would have noticed that as recently as the mid-nineties, Boise was playing DIAA football. And Louisville and I don't know who else were in the now defunct Metro Conference. Just shows what huge strides you can make if you devote sufficient effort, work hard enough and don't settle for having dullards coaching your football and men's hoops teams. The result for the sports overachievers is going to be megabucks in profit, a significant portion of which the schools will be able to divert to their general fund to pay for new facilities, library materials such as costly on-line subscriptions and the like. The same can happen at SDSU if we play our cards right over the next decade or two. OTOH, if folks with a lack of long-range vision call the shots . . .
Please don't take it as an affront. It's a decent basketball league (and there are a couple teams that could be dangerous to SDSU).
Sure there are a couple teams which we will struggle to beat, UCSB being one of them most years. However, "decent" is a real stretch. Last season the Big West had the 25th highest RPI. IIRC, the Mountain West had the 5th highest. So let's not fool ourselves. As MesaMonty put it, we're going to the Big West solely to save money on travel for our non-revenue sports.
Re: Big East Reaches Exit Agreement With Pittsburg « Reply #32 on Jul 20, 2012, 12:01pm »
I think the main ingredient that all of us lose sight of frequently is the power of media. WHERE is the vast weight of the media world? The East Coast and in particular the North East Coast. Where is the bulk and tradition of the Big East? You see where I'm going? The brain and central nervous system of our new league COMPLETELY overwhelms any combination of teams that we could have EVER come up with while in the MWC.
I got to thinking about this new Big East and thought I would take a look at what conference each school was in a few short years ago.......
Louisville - in 2005 were in Conference USA Rutgers - 1996 Atlantic 10, 1997 Big East UConn - 2000 Atlantic 10, 2004 Big East Boise - 2005 in WAC, MWC Houston - 2005 Conference USA SMU - 2005 Conference USA Central Florida - Conference USA South Florida - 2005 Conference USA Memphis - 2005 Conference USA Temple - 2005 Indy SDSU - 2005 Mountain West
Summary: 6 Conference USA Teams 2 Mountain West 2 Big East (by way of Atlantic 10) 1 Indy
So what conference are we really joining? You guessed it Conference USA.
I am not thinking the move is any worse than where we were, but it is not much better.
Trying to compare to the ACC is a reach. The ACC is miles ahead of the new Conference USA, I mean Big East.
Another fool making comparisons using conferences that no longer exist. Who gives a $#!+ what conference a school used to be in? It has zero bearing on the quality of the current program. Furthermore these new BE schools largely had success with the minimal budgets that comes along with being in non-power conferences. Recruiting certainly isn't going to suffer as these schools get more money and more exposure. As is the conferences aren't separated by much, wait until Boise, SDSU, Houston, etc. have a little coin in their pocket. Not to mention that you fail to consider what $#!+ the MWC will be with the leftovers it's stuck with.
Do you think the PAC 12 cares that 8 members used to be in the PCC and 3 were in the WAC? [b][i]Did Utah pause before joining and think "wait a second, we are really just joining the PCC." [/i][/b]Man, your post is just more proof that the people in favor of this move are the only ones capable of making a decent argument against it.
..Sent from my HTC Evo..
Wait a minute. Are you comparing SDSU's move to the Big Least with Utah's move to the PAC-12?? This is getting out of hand boys and girls. Time to come back to the planet earth.
A river in Egypt
« Last Edit: Jul 20, 2012, 12:41pm by retiredaztec »
Another fool making comparisons using conferences that no longer exist. Who gives a $#!+ what conference a school used to be in? It has zero bearing on the quality of the current program. Furthermore these new BE schools largely had success with the minimal budgets that comes along with being in non-power conferences. Recruiting certainly isn't going to suffer as these schools get more money and more exposure. As is the conferences aren't separated by much, wait until Boise, SDSU, Houston, etc. have a little coin in their pocket. Not to mention that you fail to consider what $#!+ the MWC will be with the leftovers it's stuck with.
Do you think the PAC 12 cares that 8 members used to be in the PCC and 3 were in the WAC? [b][i]Did Utah pause before joining and think "wait a second, we are really just joining the PCC." [/i][/b]Man, your post is just more proof that the people in favor of this move are the only ones capable of making a decent argument against it.
..Sent from my HTC Evo..
Wait a minute. Are you comparing SDSU's move to the Big Least with Utah's move to the PAC-12?? This is getting out of hand boys and girls. Time to come back to the planet earth.
A river in Egypt
No, I wasn't. Nobody expects you to make a logical argument but it'd be nice if you could actually understand one.
Another fool making comparisons using conferences that no longer exist. Who gives a $#!+ what conference a school used to be in? It has zero bearing on the quality of the current program. Furthermore these new BE schools largely had success with the minimal budgets that comes along with being in non-power conferences. Recruiting certainly isn't going to suffer as these schools get more money and more exposure. As is the conferences aren't separated by much, wait until Boise, SDSU, Houston, etc. have a little coin in their pocket. Not to mention that you fail to consider what $#!+ the MWC will be with the leftovers it's stuck with.
Do you think the PAC 12 cares that 8 members used to be in the PCC and 3 were in the WAC? [b][i]Did Utah pause before joining and think "wait a second, we are really just joining the PCC." [/i][/b]Man, your post is just more proof that the people in favor of this move are the only ones capable of making a decent argument against it.
..Sent from my HTC Evo..
Wait a minute. Are you comparing SDSU's move to the Big Least with Utah's move to the PAC-12?? This is getting out of hand boys and girls. Time to come back to the planet earth.
A river in Egypt
Isn't Utah your prime example of what happens when you strive for more - look at how terrible they're doing... blah blah blah and why we should make the move to the BE
we'll they get 20+ million more and in are projected to finish 2nd in the south behind sc.
Big East: $7.5M from Cuse + $7.5M from Pitt + $5m from TCU = a cool $20M in exit fees
MWC: ~$2.5M from SDSU + ~$2.5M from Boise = a not so cool $5M in exit fees
The TV percentages figure to be about four times as much for the BE too.
"So tell me Frogs, Orangemen and Panthers, why did you pay so much to leave the Big Least?
Because it was worth it!"....
The Frogs left for prestige, money and culture. They went back "home" where they've always wanted to be.
Long term, Pitt and Syracuse will regret they made the move over money. Not only is the ACC not their culture, they won't land those recruits from the south. Boston College found that out the hard way. Their strength is MBB and they'll weaken ACC football further. The ACC stupidly locked themselves into that ESPN contract and are beholden to them for decades. I think the nBE will get more TV money over that span whether we're there or not. The non-NorthEast members are the ones who will improve the BE because most will have money they never had.
The nBE isn't our culture either and we're also going for the money. The main difference is we're in a strong recruiting territory that'll upgrade our program to where it should be. Again, the added money will make that happen much quicker.
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