I love how women have a ton of athletic opps. I do not like how it came at the expense of men's volleyball and wrestling.
This is the part he was referring to as dumb and ridiculous, and he is 100% correct - "...practically any able-bodied woman can join a sport...."
Go ask your able-bodied wife, girlfriend, daughter (whichever applies here) if she would have a chance in hell of making a collegiate softball, volleyball, basketball (or whatever sport they are best at) team. I already know what her answer is - unless of course she is a top athlete, which thereby negates 78/82's statement.
Really? Then explain the disparity in talent in the top 5 in women's basketball and the rest of the nation. In men's hoops the talent gap is a lot smaller. Even a team with 5 NBA draft picks lost en route to the title. When I was a student here, the women's starting PG could not dribble with her left. I'm not saying her left was weak. She actually was incapable of dribbling with her left. You can't even play JV ball in HS as a boy as a bench warmer with that lack of skill. Softball, soccer and volleyball due require top-end athletes. That's not debatable. What about the other sports where they have tables on campus trying to get women to try out? If they had so many top-end, elite athletes in their sports, why would they need tables on campus to recruit students?
« Last Edit: Jun 26, 2012, 11:42am by sdsustoner »
I believe that the sport that generates a profit to fund other programs, should be disregarded in the calculation of how many women versus men can compete in relationship to the undergraduate population.
And, they shouldn't just limit it to the undergraduate population but the entire student and admin population, not that it would make any significant difference.
But, if men's basketball and football pay for and above the costs of their team, then those men should not be counted toward the ratio. Only the "loss" men's sports versus the "loss" women's sports, count out the number of men and women and require it be in the same ratio as the population of the college.
HAM
I agree. Question about revenue: What about schools who also make money from women's hoops like UCONN?
I do like a more market-based approach than a standardized, cookie-cutter approach.
This is the part he was referring to as dumb and ridiculous, and he is 100% correct - "...practically any able-bodied woman can join a sport...."
Go ask your able-bodied wife, girlfriend, daughter (whichever applies here) if she would have a chance in hell of making a collegiate softball, volleyball, basketball (or whatever sport they are best at) team. I already know what her answer is - unless of course she is a top athlete, which thereby negates 78/82's statement.
Really? Then explain the disparity in talent in the top 5 in women's basketball and the rest of the nation. In men's hoops the talent gap is a lot smaller. Even a team with 5 NBA draft picks lost en route to the title. When I was a student here, the women's starting PG could not dribble with her left. I'm not saying her left was weak. She actually was incapable of dribbling with her left. You can't even play JV ball in HS as a boy as a bench warmer with that lack of skill. Softball, soccer and volleyball due require top-end athletes. That's not debatable. What about the other sports where they have tables on campus trying to get women to try out? If they had so many top-end, elite athletes in their sports, why would they need tables on campus to recruit students?
So you're using ONE example of ONE facet of a player's overall skillset in ONE sport to prove your point? Really??
Did you know that there have been men's collegiate players that can barely dribble with their left? Not saying it's common, but it is indeed true.
Unless you actually played in college, I guarantee every single one of Beth Burn's players would wipe the floor with you one-on-one. They would do the same to me, even when I was in my prime (well into my 40s now).
Really? Then explain the disparity in talent in the top 5 in women's basketball and the rest of the nation. In men's hoops the talent gap is a lot smaller. Even a team with 5 NBA draft picks lost en route to the title. When I was a student here, the women's starting PG could not dribble with her left. I'm not saying her left was weak. She actually was incapable of dribbling with her left. You can't even play JV ball in HS as a boy as a bench warmer with that lack of skill. Softball, soccer and volleyball due require top-end athletes. That's not debatable. What about the other sports where they have tables on campus trying to get women to try out? If they had so many top-end, elite athletes in their sports, why would they need tables on campus to recruit students?
So you're using ONE example of ONE facet of a player's overall skillset in ONE sport to prove your point? Really??
Did you know that there have been men's collegiate players that can barely dribble with their left? Not saying it's common, but it is indeed true.
Unless you actually played in college, I guarantee every single one of Beth Burn's players would wipe the floor with you one-on-one. They would do the same to me, even when I was in my prime (well into my 40s now).
Maybe you should think a little harder on this.
LMAO
Think harder? Let me try. I am thinking about when I actually played against Burns' players as a student at SDSU.
I played HS basketball...barely. I was the 12th guy on the team who got in during garbage time...on JV Something about me not being able to shoot anything but a lay up or dunk. I wasn't a bad athlete, I had some D1-AA offers for football as a safety.
Yet when I was a student at SDSU (my frist two years here)during Burns' first run here. BTW, that PG played for the next coach. I was really good friends with someone on that team and we'd play all the time. I also helped the team out in practice when they had men volunteer to practice vs. them as they geared up for the post season. Guess what? I easily could wax some of her players. Not all. That Wright chick smoked me more times than not. She was a stud SG. Granted, the fact I could dunk back then helped me tremendously. I bet I'd have issues touching the bottom of the net today without a step ladder. So I was either beating or holding my own with one exception vs. D1 players at the woman's level being a guy who practiced but rarely played HS JV ball.
And yes, I realize there are players at the men's level who cannot dribble with their left. They're called back up centers. Not starting point guards. If you fail to see the difference here....well that's just sad.
Thanks for making think long and hard about how Burns' players would wipe the floor with me.
Re: Title IX 40th Anniversary Celebration Set for « Reply #66 on Jun 26, 2012, 3:31pm »
this is not a question of whether men are better than women at sports. It is a question of whether men and women should split the STATE FUNDS that the school provides to the athletic department. the answer is yes. those are public funds.
They are NOT being split equally now, but at least there are more opportunities for women. The salaries and money spent on football and men's basketball far outweigh what is spent on women's sports.
So you're using ONE example of ONE facet of a player's overall skillset in ONE sport to prove your point? Really??
Did you know that there have been men's collegiate players that can barely dribble with their left? Not saying it's common, but it is indeed true.
Unless you actually played in college, I guarantee every single one of Beth Burn's players would wipe the floor with you one-on-one. They would do the same to me, even when I was in my prime (well into my 40s now).
Maybe you should think a little harder on this.
LMAO
Think harder? Let me try. I am thinking about when I actually played against Burns' players as a student at SDSU.
I played HS basketball...barely. I was the 12th guy on the team who got in during garbage time...on JV Something about me not being able to shoot anything but a lay up or dunk. I wasn't a bad athlete, I had some D1-AA offers for football as a safety.
Yet when I was a student at SDSU (my frist two years here)during Burns' first run here. BTW, that PG played for the next coach. I was really good friends with someone on that team and we'd play all the time. I also helped the team out in practice when they had men volunteer to practice vs. them as they geared up for the post season. Guess what? I easily could wax some of her players. Not all. That Wright chick smoked me more times than not. She was a stud SG. Granted, the fact I could dunk back then helped me tremendously. I bet I'd have issues touching the bottom of the net today without a step ladder. So I was either beating or holding my own with one exception vs. D1 players at the woman's level being a guy who practiced but rarely played HS JV ball.
And yes, I realize there are players at the men's level who cannot dribble with their left. They're called back up centers. Not starting point guards. If you fail to see the difference here....well that's just sad.
Thanks for making think long and hard about how Burns' players would wipe the floor with me.
OK, Al Bundy, if you are indeed telling the truth (your pipe may or may not be clouding your memory - not making accusations), then you are more than an able-bodied person with a pulse, which was the point of your original post. You in your prime would likely have wiped the floor with me in my prime, and I was no slouch. At least a step above "able-bodied" I was.
Either way your PG example is way more the exception than the rule.
So you're using ONE example of ONE facet of a player's overall skillset in ONE sport to prove your point? Really??
Did you know that there have been men's collegiate players that can barely dribble with their left? Not saying it's common, but it is indeed true.
Unless you actually played in college, I guarantee every single one of Beth Burn's players would wipe the floor with you one-on-one. They would do the same to me, even when I was in my prime (well into my 40s now).
Maybe you should think a little harder on this.
LMAO
Think harder? Let me try. I am thinking about when I actually played against Burns' players as a student at SDSU.
I played HS basketball...barely. I was the 12th guy on the team who got in during garbage time...on JV Something about me not being able to shoot anything but a lay up or dunk. I wasn't a bad athlete, I had some D1-AA offers for football as a safety.
Yet when I was a student at SDSU (my frist two years here)during Burns' first run here. BTW, that PG played for the next coach. I was really good friends with someone on that team and we'd play all the time. I also helped the team out in practice when they had men volunteer to practice vs. them as they geared up for the post season. Guess what? I easily could wax some of her players. Not all. That Wright chick smoked me more times than not. She was a stud SG. Granted, the fact I could dunk back then helped me tremendously. I bet I'd have issues touching the bottom of the net today without a step ladder. So I was either beating or holding my own with one exception vs. D1 players at the woman's level being a guy who practiced but rarely played HS JV ball.
And yes, I realize there are players at the men's level who cannot dribble with their left. They're called back up centers. Not starting point guards. If you fail to see the difference here....well that's just sad.
Thanks for making think long and hard about how Burns' players would wipe the floor with me.
Good stuff stoner! Those were some great teams. I use to go to all those games at Perterson Gym. Most of the games were sold out and great atmosphere. Loved it when Michelle Suman punched Lisa Leslie in the grill. If people don't know, Michelle Suman was BEAUTIFUL!!!
this is not a question of whether men are better than women at sports. It is a question of whether men and women should split the STATE FUNDS that the school provides to the athletic department. the answer is yes. those are public funds.
They are NOT being split equally now, but at least there are more opportunities for women. The salaries and money spent on football and men's basketball far outweigh what is spent on women's sports.
There is a reason you have to spend more on football and men's basketball. Football and men's basketball are the only two sports that make the school money. Football and men's basketball fund those other women's sports. None of the women's teams make the school money. Most guys don't care about women's sports and I am one of the exceptions. My sister in law played college volleyball and my cousin is going out with one of Cal's softball players and she is one of the best on the team that was ranked #1 for most of this last season and was just in the women's college world series. I even drove up to Cal to watch her play UW in the super regionals over Memorial Day weekend. Both my sister in law and the girl my cousin are going out with think Title IX is a joke and they would have been fine without it. This isn't the 50's anymore folks. Just like unions are outdated, we don't need them either.
this is not a question of whether men are better than women at sports. It is a question of whether men and women should split the STATE FUNDS that the school provides to the athletic department. the answer is yes. those are public funds.
They are NOT being split equally now, but at least there are more opportunities for women. The salaries and money spent on football and men's basketball far outweigh what is spent on women's sports.
There is a reason you have to spend more on football and men's basketball. Football and men's basketball are the only two sports that make the school money. Football and men's basketball fund those other women's sports. None of the women's teams make the school money. Most guys don't care about women's sports and I am one of the exceptions. My sister in law played college volleyball and my cousin is going out with one of Cal's softball players and she is one of the best on the team that was ranked #1 for most of this last season and was just in the women's college world series. I even drove up to Cal to watch her play UW in the super regionals over Memorial Day weekend. Both my sister in law and the girl my cousin are going out with think Title IX is a joke and they would have been fine without it. This isn't the 50's anymore folks. Just like unions are outdated, we don't need them either.
I love how women have a ton of athletic opps. I do not like how it came at the expense of men's volleyball and wrestling.
This is the part he was referring to as dumb and ridiculous, and he is 100% correct - "...practically any able-bodied woman can join a sport...."
Go ask your able-bodied wife, girlfriend, daughter (whichever applies here) if she would have a chance in hell of making a collegiate softball, volleyball, basketball (or whatever sport they are best at) team. I already know what her answer is - unless of course she is a top athlete, which thereby negates 78/82's statement.
There are individual sport exceptions, such as vb and hoops. However, ask your wife/daughter to visit the recruiting table for rowing, they need able-bodied athletes and will train them. I am a supporter and welcome their interest.
Think harder? Let me try. I am thinking about when I actually played against Burns' players as a student at SDSU.
I played HS basketball...barely. I was the 12th guy on the team who got in during garbage time...on JV Something about me not being able to shoot anything but a lay up or dunk. I wasn't a bad athlete, I had some D1-AA offers for football as a safety.
Yet when I was a student at SDSU (my frist two years here)during Burns' first run here. BTW, that PG played for the next coach. I was really good friends with someone on that team and we'd play all the time. I also helped the team out in practice when they had men volunteer to practice vs. them as they geared up for the post season. Guess what? I easily could wax some of her players. Not all. That Wright chick smoked me more times than not. She was a stud SG. Granted, the fact I could dunk back then helped me tremendously. I bet I'd have issues touching the bottom of the net today without a step ladder. So I was either beating or holding my own with one exception vs. D1 players at the woman's level being a guy who practiced but rarely played HS JV ball.
And yes, I realize there are players at the men's level who cannot dribble with their left. They're called back up centers. Not starting point guards. If you fail to see the difference here....well that's just sad.
Thanks for making think long and hard about how Burns' players would wipe the floor with me.
OK, Al Bundy, if you are indeed telling the truth (your pipe may or may not be clouding your memory - not making accusations), then you are more than an able-bodied person with a pulse, which was the point of your original post. You in your prime would likely have wiped the floor with me in my prime, and I was no slouch. At least a step above "able-bodied" I was.
Either way your PG example is way more the exception than the rule.
Why would I lie about a chick getting the better of me the vast majority of the time when we played? You'd think with the creative juices THC extracts I'd come up with something better. Let me re-do it.
In the 1994th year of our lord, a handsome, intelligent man with the body chiseled out of a Greek statue, except with both arms, set foot upon Montezuma Mesa. The women were so thrilled it appeared there was a flash flood along sorority row. This man was no ordinary man. After laying his 18 inch penis because all Asians have huge wangs into 420 co-eds, he decided to go play some basketball.
As this magnificent measure of machismo walked to the old courts behind Peterson Gym, rumor spread rampantly like UNLV stupidity of his arrival. In 1994, students used their dorm phones to contact each other about this stud’s whereabouts. For you kids, those were phones attached to your desk that could not leave its location. You also dialed the phone number second. Enough history and back to the legend of SDSUStoner:
The word was out that SDSUStoner was headed to the courts to demolish any sucka foo’s who stepped up to his skillz. It’s spelled with a ‘z’ to give me street cred, yo. By the time this God’s gift to mankind arrived, panic had set in with all the male players. Pandemonium ensued as they ran towards the old soccer practice field thru Peterson itself just to get out of his menacing glare that was known to kill a mo’ fo.
As the panic-struck men ran through Peterson, they got the full attention of Beth Burns and her Aztecs who were in the midst of practice. They heard the terror in the voices of men screaming like little girls and the fear in their eyes as they fled in the middle of the Aztecs lay up drill. Showing great character, Burns mustered up the courage to face the SDSUStoner.
One-by-one an Aztec would step up only to be vanquished by shogun of SDSU. Until all that was left was Burns herself. After an intense battle, SDSUStoner prevailed. As he dunked in the final points, SDSUStoner loudly yelled, “Kiss my converse!” as he broke the backboard…twice.
OK, Al Bundy, if you are indeed telling the truth (your pipe may or may not be clouding your memory - not making accusations), then you are more than an able-bodied person with a pulse, which was the point of your original post. You in your prime would likely have wiped the floor with me in my prime, and I was no slouch. At least a step above "able-bodied" I was.
Either way your PG example is way more the exception than the rule.
Why would I lie about a chick getting the better of me the vast majority of the time when we played? You'd think with the creative juices THC extracts I'd come up with something better. Let me re-do it.
In the 1994th year of our lord, a handsome, intelligent man with the body chiseled out of a Greek statue, except with both arms, set foot upon Montezuma Mesa. The women were so thrilled it appeared there was a flash flood along sorority row. This man was no ordinary man. After laying his 18 inch penis because all Asians have huge wangs into 420 co-eds, he decided to go play some basketball.
As this magnificent measure of machismo walked to the old courts behind Peterson Gym, rumor spread rampantly like UNLV stupidity of his arrival. In 1994, students used their dorm phones to contact each other about this stud’s whereabouts. For you kids, those were phones attached to your desk that could not leave its location. You also dialed the phone number second. Enough history and back to the legend of SDSUStoner:
The word was out that SDSUStoner was headed to the courts to demolish any sucka foo’s who stepped up to his skillz. It’s spelled with a ‘z’ to give me street cred, yo. By the time this God’s gift to mankind arrived, panic had set in with all the male players. Pandemonium ensued as they ran towards the old soccer practice field thru Peterson itself just to get out of his menacing glare that was known to kill a mo’ fo.
As the panic-struck men ran through Peterson, they got the full attention of Beth Burns and her Aztecs who were in the midst of practice. They heard the terror in the voices of men screaming like little girls and the fear in their eyes as they fled in the middle of the Aztecs lay up drill. Showing great character, Burns mustered up the courage to face the SDSUStoner.
One-by-one an Aztec would step up only to be vanquished by shogun of SDSU. Until all that was left was Burns herself. After an intense battle, SDSUStoner prevailed. As he dunked in the final points, SDSUStoner loudly yelled, “Kiss my converse!” as he broke the backboard…twice.
wish I had been there. Bet you threw down a few rhymes too
Think harder? Let me try. I am thinking about when I actually played against Burns' players as a student at SDSU.
I played HS basketball...barely. I was the 12th guy on the team who got in during garbage time...on JV Something about me not being able to shoot anything but a lay up or dunk. I wasn't a bad athlete, I had some D1-AA offers for football as a safety.
Yet when I was a student at SDSU (my frist two years here)during Burns' first run here. BTW, that PG played for the next coach. I was really good friends with someone on that team and we'd play all the time. I also helped the team out in practice when they had men volunteer to practice vs. them as they geared up for the post season. Guess what? I easily could wax some of her players. Not all. That Wright chick smoked me more times than not. She was a stud SG. Granted, the fact I could dunk back then helped me tremendously. I bet I'd have issues touching the bottom of the net today without a step ladder. So I was either beating or holding my own with one exception vs. D1 players at the woman's level being a guy who practiced but rarely played HS JV ball.
And yes, I realize there are players at the men's level who cannot dribble with their left. They're called back up centers. Not starting point guards. If you fail to see the difference here....well that's just sad.
Thanks for making think long and hard about how Burns' players would wipe the floor with me.
Good stuff stoner! Those were some great teams. I use to go to all those games at Perterson Gym. Most of the games were sold out and great atmosphere. Loved it when Michelle Suman punched Lisa Leslie in the grill. If people don't know, Michelle Suman was BEAUTIFUL!!!
LOL. So you're old too? She was a year or two before I got there, but that sounds awesome. I remember the Pete being sold out too...well for women's games. lol
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She was a year or two before I got there, but that sounds awesome. I remember the Pete being sold out too...well for women's games. lol