CBSSports speculating new BE may only be ~ $60MM « Thread Started on May 24, 2012, 6:52pm »
which comes out to about $3MM/year for football only schools like ourselves. Yuck.
But industry sources told CBSSports.com they expect the Big East to get much less -- maybe as low as $50 million annually -- because of the loss of West Virginia, Pittsburgh, Syracuse and TCU. And then there's the possibility the Big East could lose two more of its biggest names -- most likely Louisville, Connecticut or Rutgers -- if the Big 12 expands and the ACC has to replace two schools.
A $60 million deal per year (as speculated by CBSSports.com's sources, slightly better than their low end) would be worth $4 million each for the 10 full members; $3 million each to the four football-only members; and $1 million each to the eight non-football members.
Re: CBSSports speculating new BE may only be ~ $60 « Reply #1 on May 24, 2012, 6:54pm »
His logic for the low number doesn't make a whole lot of sense. Because we weren't paid by the MWC/CUSA, we won't be paid by the new TV deal. Tell that to TCU, Utah and BYU...
Re: CBSSports speculating new BE may only be ~ $60 « Reply #2 on May 24, 2012, 6:58pm »
Many days of rampant speculation to wade through, eh?
I doubt the numbers will end up in this range, but State and BSU have protected themselves from such an outcome with the exit clauses they have built into the agreement. Insufficient dollars kills the deal.
Re: CBSSports speculating new BE may only be ~ $60 « Reply #3 on May 24, 2012, 7:00pm »
Shane...nice omission of the following that was in the article: "Neil Pilson, a media consultant and former president of CBS Sports, told the New York Times he believes the Big East could surpass the $130 million-per-year deal rejected last year."
Basically, you posted what an 'industry insider' (i.e. someone not willing to have their name mentioned as they most likely are in the 'outs' versus by being a true insider).
Whereas, the posting provided above is from the 'former' president of CBS Sports who is now a 'media consultant'.
Sorry pal, but your attempt to omit this is nothing more than pandering to the those that still have a hard on for the MWC.
The Aztecs are going to the BE and they are going to make way more than that which the 'insider' claims as should the mother ship pass, there are not one, but two (2) other active bidders and that is all it takes to drive prices up per the Econ classes I took many years ago.
Re: CBSSports speculating new BE may only be ~ $60 « Reply #5 on May 24, 2012, 7:42pm »
I bet the "insider" in the article is from CBS. They won't be bidding on the contract. Maybe they should talk to the guys at NBC and Fox. All the Big East AD's that listen to their presentation last week seemed pretty positive that the TV deal would be a good one.
Re: CBSSports speculating new BE may only be ~ $60 « Reply #6 on May 24, 2012, 7:58pm »
It is true they lose West Virginia, Pittsburgh, Syracuse and add SDSU, BSU, Houston, SMU, and CF. You can't just make assumptions about the value of what was lost and the value of what is added to determine the new value of the TV contract. If that was how it worked the Big XII adding TCU and losing Nebraska and Texas A&M would have got less money. But we know they got a ton more money. The Market has changed and articles like that don't understand it.
Imagine if a year took a century to unfold and you were born in the dead of winter; the coming of summer would seem a frightening change, with temperatures rising dramatically and seemingly without limit.
Re: CBSSports speculating new BE may only be ~ $60 « Reply #7 on May 24, 2012, 8:11pm »
Also the PAC 12 added Utah and Colorado and got a ton more money. I don't think adding those schools is what boosted the PAC 12 contract.
It's funny how the unnamed "Insider" has the low ball figure but a named source (Pilson) puts his reputation on the line and comes in with a big figure.
Re: CBSSports speculating new BE may only be ~ $60 « Reply #9 on May 24, 2012, 10:20pm »
Don't forget it would be in CBS' interest to have Boise St and SDSU remain in the MWC. There is no way the TV deal is $60 M a year or less, even at worst the best of CUSA and MWC would generate more than that (or at least equal to that), you add BE basketball which has quite a bit of value and the fact that NBC is desperate for sports programming and you'll end up with a good deal. We'll see how good it ends up being.
Shane...nice omission of the following that was in the article: "Neil Pilson, a media consultant and former president of CBS Sports, told the New York Times he believes the Big East could surpass the $130 million-per-year deal rejected last year."
Neil Pilson is about ten thousand years old.
It's like hearing reagan talk during the last five years of his presidency.
Not that i don't hope he's right.
JYP do you know who Pilsen represents for TV contracts?
Re: CBSSports speculating new BE may only be ~ $60 « Reply #12 on May 24, 2012, 10:56pm »
So the worse case scenario is that we make 3X what the Mountain-Worse would pay plus whatever we make or lose with the BW TV and NCAA credits - might be just enough to stay afloat. Best case is that we can actually become self-sufficient - pretty easy choice, you would think.
Whenever you see ridiculous lowball numbers like that, there's usually an underlying agenda involved. Bank on it. Sept can't come fast enough.
Absolutely. The media commenting on bids has to be seen in context as a conflict of interest. They benefit by the product costing less, or as another said, perhaps SDSU and Boise not leaving CBS, etc. Who knows but to think this is "news" or even credible is to ignore that logic.
Re: CBSSports speculating new BE may only be ~ $60 « Reply #16 on May 25, 2012, 9:24am »
Don't forget the new contract will include a playoff game to determine the BEast champion. That game alone is probably worth $1.0 to 2.0M per year per team. And a new bowl game with the ACC v. the BEast would probably be worth the same or more. So there is plenty of money to be had in the new tv deal. I'll take a wild guess and say it's $10.0M per team per year for 10 years or $100M total per team.
Re: CBSSports speculating new BE may only be ~ $60 « Reply #17 on May 25, 2012, 11:52am »
1. Boise State and San Diego State officials have previously projected the Big East's media rights between $6 million and $10 million for each school. Those numbers would dwarf the $1.5 million each school received in the Mountain West, but if the Broncos and Aztecs only earn $4 million, is that worth flying cross country for football games and moving their Olympic sports to other leagues?
SDSU's consultant estimated in the low 6 millions up to as much as 10 mil. More significantly, Boise isn't getting into the Big West unless it subsidizes travel for other schools not named SDSU. Therefore, if it's only $4M, I highly doubt Boise is going to be able to accomplish that subsidization so if it's that low, I highly doubt Boise will be joining the BE/BW. Will SDSU be joining without Boise? Some here have said yes without explaining why. I'd sure like to hear their explanation for that.
2. WTH does Pilson's age have to do with anything, JYP? The guy is 72. So what? That's completely over the hill for many professions but definitely not for somebody with his background who's now merely a consultant.
3. The above having been said, although I agree with L.A.Aztec that the unnamed "insider" could easily be from CBSSports, which has an interest in seeing the BE contract become a POS for the conference, there isn't anybody out there these days with more credibility of McMurphy. Therefore, although there may be a bias involved, you can bet the "insider" is in fact an insider.
It's May 25. So Boise has just 36 more days to withdraw from the MWC without getting hit with a substantial penalty for leaving. Meanwhile the Not So Big West seems to be playing big time hardball with the Broncos. Many of you are saying everything is going to be A-O.K. with the Aztecs and the BE. However, color me as getting more concerned every week about the possibility of our getting stuck in what is going to be a football-horrible MWC.
Re: CBSSports speculating new BE may only be ~ $60 « Reply #18 on May 25, 2012, 11:55am »
I have no information at hand, however, it is most likely a safe presumption that the current BE bowl tie-in payouts are a bit 'higher' than those of the MWC which in correlated would result in a bit 'higher' revenue from the Aztecs participation in one of the tie-in games (if that occurred) and/or the revenue sharing within the conference as compared on a $ of $ basis with the MWC.
Frankly, if some unattached/non-fan/non-alumni economist were to 'evaluate' the revenue landscape related to BE football membership and BW hoops on all levels (i.e. TV money, hoops credits, conference revenue sharing, etc.) there would most likely be an outcome that SDSU athletics would be dollars ahead (net of expenses) by a factor of 4 or more than staying in the MWC.
The net is that no one knows for certain, but Sterk and his crew have some insight as to 'potential' that when compared on an 'apple vs. apple' comparison with the status quo produces the end result to stay the course of going BE/BW for the major sports.
Only time will tell as it is a hope that a truly independent analysis could be performed so that everyone here has the facts and can make a final determination on 'facts' and not some form of insider information, self-prejudice and/or personal feelings.
Let those with the skills and access to information make the decisions and know that their negotiation/positioning is what is ‘best’ for SDSU athletics for the near term and long term.
Anything that is an improvement over the current revenue source(s) is a positive and much needed with the impending melt down of the state's budget and not knowing with the Governor is going to push through. Self reliancy has to be the goal of Sterk and Hirshman.
Re: CBSSports speculating new BE may only be ~ $60 « Reply #19 on May 25, 2012, 12:09pm »
I almost hope Georgetown and the other non-football schools just whine so much about the dollars that they decide to go their separate way and then the football schools put together a best of the have-nots nationwide conference for all sports. Obviously basketball wouldn't be nearly as good without the Catholic schools but the football would still be immensely better than the MWC and conference locations would be vastly more populated. So our travel expenses would obviously increase and we wouldn't earn quite as much in TV revenue but since that separation is probably inevitable anyway once ND leaves, maybe it might as well happen immediately.
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