Is Schmidit green, hell yes! Was Hoke, and every other successful coach once green? Hell yes! Give Schmidt a chance at least. The guy could turn into the next Hoke. You just never know.
"Green" guys should be hired by JUCOs and Division II colleges, not by a university which will be moving up to an AQ conference in just 15 months.
We paid the Chuck Long staff a ton of money. Those guys had experienced backgrounds. Where did it get us?
Not really.
IIRC, both of Chuck's coordinators earned just $180K. Chuck's first hire was DC Bob Elliott, who Chuck was able to get because Elliott was in cancer remission which limited his options. Chuck then wanted to hire his former receivers coach from OU to be his OC but the guy's stay at home mom wife decided they couldn't buy a house in a good neighbor in SD on just $180K so Chuck then offered the job to Del Miller. Chuck was able to get Miller because during each of his three years at KSU, the Wildcats ppg average dropped off by about five points.
In other words, although Chuck was paid a considerable amount of money, his staff was not and I've always thought the single biggest problem with Chuck's tenure was the fact he probably had the worst duo of coordinators in school history.
Gotta say this, too. Because of all the strange things Rocky has been doing, I'm already becoming concerned that if Tony White continues to show himself to be a good (albeit not great) recruiting coordinator that he's going to be hired away because he won't continue to work for a relative pittance either.
Re: UT: SDSU hires offensive line coach « Reply #42 on Apr 12, 2012, 2:06pm »
Opinions are all fine and good except when people think their opinions are always correct or when they base their opinions on something other than facts relative to the situation.
All of the facts (all two of them - everything else mentioned seem to be 'facts' created in someones mind) surrounding this hire that people are concerned about - 1)Schmidt has no experience and 2)comes cheap - do not prove that this is a bad hire.
Even though he has little to no experience and doesn't get paid much (plus whatever anyone else is worried about), he will either be a good coach or a bad one. Worrying or fretting about it is a waste of time.
You want to say you think he may be a bad hire because of the above superficial evidence? feel free... you may be right. But realize you can say you think he's a bad hire many times in several different manners and you still may be wrong.
Bottom line, you either think Rocky Long knows what he is doing or you don't...
We paid the Chuck Long staff a ton of money. Those guys had experienced backgrounds. Where did it get us?
Not really.
IIRC, both of Chuck's coordinators earned just $180K. Chuck's first hire was DC Bob Elliott, who Chuck was able to get because Elliott was in cancer remission which limited his options. Chuck then wanted to hire his former receivers coach from OU to be his OC but the guy's stay at home mom wife decided they couldn't buy a house in a good neighbor in SD on just $180K so Chuck then offered the job to Del Miller. Chuck was able to get Miller because during each of his three years at KSU, the Wildcats ppg average dropped off by about five points.
In other words, although Chuck was paid a considerable amount of money, his staff was not and I've always thought the single biggest problem with Chuck's tenure was the fact he probably had the worst duo of coordinators in school history.
Gotta say this, too. Because of all the strange things Rocky has been doing, I'm already becoming concerned that if Tony White continues to show himself to be a good (albeit not great) recruiting coordinator that he's going to be hired away because he won't continue to work for a relative pittance either.
We paid those guys a lot. Back then, it was a lot.
Opinions are all fine and good except when people think their opinions are always correct or when they base their opinions on something other than facts relative to the situation.
All of the facts (all two of them - everything else mentioned seem to be 'facts' created in someones mind) surrounding this hire that people are concerned about - 1)Schmidt has no experience and 2)comes cheap - do not prove that this is a bad hire.
Even though he has little to no experience and doesn't get paid much (plus whatever anyone else is worried about), he will either be a good coach or a bad one. Worrying or fretting about it is a waste of time.
You want to say you think he may be a bad hire because of the above superficial evidence? feel free... you may be right. But realize you can say you think he's a bad hire many times in several different manners and you still may be wrong.
Bottom line, you either think Rocky Long knows what he is doing or you don't...
Not to be a hard ass, but if our record ends up worse than 8-5 and Rocky mentions the, "new coaches getting experience" mantra, then that's when we have to can him to cut our losses. Excuses are for losers. We can't afford to watch a downward spiral anymore. This years schedule is made for us to make a statement as we head out of the MWC. It's imperative that our program justifies our entry into the nBE, on merit alone. Not as Boise State's perceived lackey.
Don't get me wrong, I'm pulling for Rocky to get it done but the program is bigger.
Re: UT: SDSU hires offensive line coach « Reply #45 on Apr 12, 2012, 2:50pm »
Yeah, I remember it vividly that Chuckster actually had the pull to get much better pay for his top assistants than his predecessors did. Who knew at that time what a fiasco this whole regime would turn out to be?
As for the Schmidt hire, I'm on the side of trusting Rocky that he made the right choice. If Schmidt didn't prove himself in the spring (and over the last couple of years), then he wouldn't have been offered the job. It's Rocky's butt on the line, not ours. Let's see how the younger linemen progress this year and next, then pass judgement.
Opinions are all fine and good except when people think their opinions are always correct or when they base their opinions on something other than facts relative to the situation.
All of the facts (all two of them - everything else mentioned seem to be 'facts' created in someones mind) surrounding this hire that people are concerned about - 1)Schmidt has no experience and 2)comes cheap - do not prove that this is a bad hire.
Even though he has little to no experience and doesn't get paid much (plus whatever anyone else is worried about), he will either be a good coach or a bad one. Worrying or fretting about it is a waste of time.
You want to say you think he may be a bad hire because of the above superficial evidence? feel free... you may be right. But realize you can say you think he's a bad hire many times in several different manners and you still may be wrong.
Bottom line, you either think Rocky Long knows what he is doing or you don't...
Not to be a hard ass, but if our record ends up worse than 8-5 and Rocky mentions the, "new coaches getting experience" mantra, then that's when we have to can him to cut our losses. Excuses are for losers. We can't afford to watch a downward spiral anymore. This years schedule is made for us to make a statement as we head out of the MWC. It's imperative that our program justifies our entry into the nBE, on merit alone. Not as Boise State's perceived lackey.
Don't get me wrong, I'm pulling for Rocky to get it done but the program is bigger.
We're in a downward spiral?
« Last Edit: Apr 12, 2012, 2:53pm by aztecalways »
Not to be a hard ass, but if our record ends up worse than 8-5 and Rocky mentions the, "new coaches getting experience" mantra, then that's when we have to can him to cut our losses. Excuses are for losers. We can't afford to watch a downward spiral anymore. This years schedule is made for us to make a statement as we head out of the MWC. It's imperative that our program justifies our entry into the nBE, on merit alone. Not as Boise State's perceived lackey.
Don't get me wrong, I'm pulling for Rocky to get it done but the program is bigger.
We're in a downward spiral?
I think (hope!!) he meant post-Luginbill/pre-Hoke downward spiral.
Opinions are all fine and good except when people think their opinions are always correct or when they base their opinions on something other than facts relative to the situation.
All of the facts (all two of them - everything else mentioned seem to be 'facts' created in someones mind) surrounding this hire that people are concerned about - 1)Schmidt has no experience and 2)comes cheap - do not prove that this is a bad hire.
Even though he has little to no experience and doesn't get paid much (plus whatever anyone else is worried about), he will either be a good coach or a bad one. Worrying or fretting about it is a waste of time.
You want to say you think he may be a bad hire because of the above superficial evidence? feel free... you may be right. But realize you can say you think he's a bad hire many times in several different manners and you still may be wrong.
Bottom line, you either think Rocky Long knows what he is doing or you don't...
Not to be a hard ass, but if our record ends up worse than 8-5 and Rocky mentions the, "new coaches getting experience" mantra, then that's when we have to can him to cut our losses. Excuses are for losers. We can't afford to watch a downward spiral anymore. This years schedule is made for us to make a statement as we head out of the MWC. It's imperative that our program justifies our entry into the nBE, on merit alone. Not as Boise State's perceived lackey.
Don't get me wrong, I'm pulling for Rocky to get it done but the program is bigger.
We only had 15 seniors (of course the other 70 dudes were all recruited while I was here and this is year 4) and we were breaking in new coaches - good fans realize this. Can already hear his excuses.
Interesting. However, I have little doubt we were below TCU since Patterson has always had the highest salary in the conference. Also, the figures for the other public schools may have gone up more than Schrotenboer expected. I say that because IIRC, we were able to bump up staff salaries considerably by taking our entire cut of Utah's 2004 Fiesta Bowl appearance and applying it to football. If other schools did the same, they would presumably have been able to increase staff salaries more than the pittance BS suggest would be the case.
That said, you're correct that we paid more than I thought. Just more evidence of what a cluster**** that staff was.
Is Schmidit green, hell yes! Was Hoke, and every other successful coach once green? Hell yes! Give Schmidt a chance at least. The guy could turn into the next Hoke. You just never know.
"Green" guys should be hired by JUCOs and Division II colleges, not by a university which will be moving up to an AQ conference in just 15 months.
Disagree. I do the hiring in my office. I have hired 4 people in the last 6 months, and the one doing the best job is the one with the least amount of experience.
Who was the young HC of Valpo that went to the final four last year? Shaka Smart...or somethig like that. How many years did he toil in the JUCO and Div II ranks before becoming a head coach and taking a team to the final four? I'm just saying, give the guy a chance before saying he shouldn't be there.
"Green" guys should be hired by JUCOs and Division II colleges, not by a university which will be moving up to an AQ conference in just 15 months.
Disagree. I do the hiring in my office. I have hired 4 people in the last 6 months, and the one doing the best job is the one with the least amount of experience.
Who was the young HC of Valpo that went to the final four last year? Shaka Smart...or somethig like that. How many years did he toil in the JUCO and Div II ranks before becoming a head coach and taking a team to the final four? I'm just saying, give the guy a chance before saying he shouldn't be there.
From Wikipedia: "Smart began his coaching career in 1999 as an assistant at California University of Pennsylvania, where he also earned a Master's Degree. Afterwards, he was hired as Director of Basketball Operations at the University of Dayton. He was then an assistant at the University of Akron for three years, Clemson for two, and Florida for one."
Ever heard of California University of Pennsylvania? Me neither and Smart spent four years there. Ergo, Smart paid his dues coaching at a bottom rung Division II college before getting hired by a MAC school. IMO, that's where all "green" coaches should begin.
Re: UT: SDSU hires offensive line coach « Reply #52 on Apr 12, 2012, 5:14pm »
San Diego State should not be a tryout job. Guys like Hoke and URban Meyer moved from the MAC to the MWC, why, because it's a step up. Now, Schmidt at least was a GA for a while and Hall was for a spell, then was out of coaching/conditioning for a year. Both are really far too green, and for the both of them to be brand new at the same time at two of the positions that are most isolated and most important - it's a hell of a gamble. S&C not only handles S&C but with NCAA rules is basically a 2nd head coach in the offseason. And oline more than any other position runs its own practice through individual work in pracitices. During indo, there is going to be a very inexperienced coach dealing with 2 first year tackles and a bunch of young guys that need to develop to take over the 3 interior line spots the following year.
It's a huge gamble and the way the S&C fiasco went this year and this farce of an audition, it's really worrisome regarding Execusey Long as Head Coach.
San Diego State should not be a tryout job. Guys like Hoke and URban Meyer moved from the MAC to the MWC, why, because it's a step up. Now, Schmidt at least was a GA for a while and Hall was for a spell, then was out of coaching/conditioning for a year. Both are really far too green, and for the both of them to be brand new at the same time at two of the positions that are most isolated and most important - it's a hell of a gamble. S&C not only handles S&C but with NCAA rules is basically a 2nd head coach in the offseason. And oline more than any other position runs its own practice through individual work in pracitices. During indo, there is going to be a very inexperienced coach dealing with 2 first year tackles and a bunch of young guys that need to develop to take over the 3 interior line spots the following year.
It's a huge gamble and the way the S&C fiasco went this year and this farce of an audition, it's really worrisome regarding Execusey Long as Head Coach.
Hmmmmmm.....farce? That's a bit of a stretch. This world is filled with people given a chance to shine in their professional lives. Maybe even you were given that opportunity at some point in your career. I myself will reserve judgement until he's had at least a year, maybe more, to prove himself. Judge as you feel you must, I suppose.
Re: UT: SDSU hires offensive line coach « Reply #54 on Apr 12, 2012, 5:51pm »
That Tony Bland hire on the basketball side sucks, too. The guy has no experience. Just because he is an ex-player is not a reason to hire. Crap, next thing you know some rap singer will get hired.
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That Tony Bland hire on the basketball side sucks, too. The guy has no experience. Just because he is an ex-player is not a reason to hire. Crap, next thing you know some rap singer will get hired.
Specious and you know it. Tony trained NBA players and has contacts in one of the most coveted recruiting areas; basketball is also vastly different in being the 4th coach on staff versus running the oline which is a team to itself or strength and conditioning which is around the entire team the most. I hope they both turn out to be brilliant hires, I liked both of them when they played here, and a guy like Schmidt really had to bust his ass to play as I think he was a walk-on.
And to the above, of course the tryout was a farce, it was fait accompli he was going to be the coach - they weren't going to hire a guy now.
We've got a damn easy schedule, let's hope 2 of the most important coaches are up to the task.
That Tony Bland hire on the basketball side sucks, too. The guy has no experience. Just because he is an ex-player is not a reason to hire. Crap, next thing you know some rap singer will get hired.
Specious and you know it. Tony trained NBA players and has contacts in one of the most coveted recruiting areas; basketball is also vastly different in being the 4th coach on staff versus running the oline which is a team to itself or strength and conditioning which is around the entire team the most. I hope they both turn out to be brilliant hires, I liked both of them when they played here, and a guy like Schmidt really had to bust his ass to play as I think he was a walk-on.
And to the above, of course the tryout was a farce, it was fait accompli he was going to be the coach - they weren't going to hire a guy now.
We've got a damn easy schedule, let's hope 2 of the most important coaches are up to the task.
Monty:Looks like you are setting up to dump on this team if they don't meet your lofty expectations. Execusey Long? Damn easy schedule? Two weak coaches? Let me remind you of the losses this team took off 2011 roster. Now,there are only about 15 seniors total, should be double that. And, only about eight or nine of those appear to be starters as of now. Look behind the Coach as Puppet Master falsehood and examine the personnel reality. In short, this will be a rebuilding year for a very young team. Very young, but talented and they will improve and we will be competitive in2013.
"Green" guys should be hired by JUCOs and Division II colleges, not by a university which will be moving up to an AQ conference in just 15 months.
Disagree. I do the hiring in my office. I have hired 4 people in the last 6 months, and the one doing the best job is the one with the least amount of experience.
Who was the young HC of Valpo that went to the final four last year? Shaka Smart...or somethig like that. How many years did he toil in the JUCO and Div II ranks before becoming a head coach and taking a team to the final four? I'm just saying, give the guy a chance before saying he shouldn't be there.
Respectfully, the analogy is flawed. I see absolutely no comparison between staffing an office and coaching D1 football players.
Opinions are all fine and good except when people think their opinions are always correct or when they base their opinions on something other than facts relative to the situation.
All of the facts (all two of them - everything else mentioned seem to be 'facts' created in someones mind) surrounding this hire that people are concerned about - 1)Schmidt has no experience and 2)comes cheap - do not prove that this is a bad hire.
Even though he has little to no experience and doesn't get paid much (plus whatever anyone else is worried about), he will either be a good coach or a bad one. Worrying or fretting about it is a waste of time.
You want to say you think he may be a bad hire because of the above superficial evidence? feel free... you may be right. But realize you can say you think he's a bad hire many times in several different manners and you still may be wrong.
Bottom line, you either think Rocky Long knows what he is doing or you don't...
I think that either you're missing the point (or some of us are very unclear). From seeing some of Rocky's decisions, we're starting to fear that he may NOT have top D1 coaching qualities.
« Last Edit: Apr 12, 2012, 11:28pm by myownwords »
Opinions are all fine and good except when people think their opinions are always correct or when they base their opinions on something other than facts relative to the situation.
All of the facts (all two of them - everything else mentioned seem to be 'facts' created in someones mind) surrounding this hire that people are concerned about - 1)Schmidt has no experience and 2)comes cheap - do not prove that this is a bad hire.
Even though he has little to no experience and doesn't get paid much (plus whatever anyone else is worried about), he will either be a good coach or a bad one. Worrying or fretting about it is a waste of time.
You want to say you think he may be a bad hire because of the above superficial evidence? feel free... you may be right. But realize you can say you think he's a bad hire many times in several different manners and you still may be wrong.
Bottom line, you either think Rocky Long knows what he is doing or you don't...
I think that either you're missing the point (or some of us are very unclear). From seeing some of Rocky's decisions, we're starting to fear that he may NOT have top D1 coaching qualities.
No, actually you missed my point... You have no idea if Schmidt is a bad coach or not. You 'fear' that he is a bad coach because he has no experience... (and, apparently, you don't think Rocky Long knows what he is doing.)
as I said above, worrying or fretting about it is a waste of time.
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