The problem with 'penalties', NCAA or DOE, is that it punishes those who are currently at the institution not those who actually committed the offense. The DOE removing the institution's accreditation and the ability to receive financial aid effects the current student body and NCAA sanctions effect current student athletes. Those who committed the offense should be punished, thrown in jail, etc.
The NCAA waives rules about transferring when it drops significant sanctions on a school. Yes, they would have to move and learn a new system, but most of them were recruited by coaches that aren't there anymore.
Also, if NCAA sanctions couldn't be used because it would "affect the players there now and not the ones who committed the acts" the NCAA would have no teeth to enforce any of its rules.
And finally, look back at the five times they have dropped the "death penalty" on a school. None of them comes close to how bad this situation is.
Re: Penn State recruiting « Reply #21 on Jul 14, 2012, 3:33pm »
The death blow is coming. It'll be very unfortunate for current athletes, but it must be done. With that in mind, the NCAA will waive their transfer rule of sitting out a year so that at the very least their football careers won't suffer even more.
PSU must pay the price.
« Last Edit: Jul 14, 2012, 3:36pm by therealeman »
Re: Penn State recruiting « Reply #22 on Jul 14, 2012, 8:01pm »
It's amazing what a few bad people can do. There were indeed some despicable acts by a few people at Penn State, and there are no excuses for them. I think Paterno was caught between a rock and a hard place with this. He still should not have allowed the atrocities to keep happening and is as guilty as the rest for covering it up as long as he did. However, how do you discipline the entire University? I do not know, and I'm glad I don't have to make that decision.
There is something that bothers me about this scandal. The police made an investigation in 1998. Why didn't they do something about it. Did they cover it up as well?? The police that made the original investigation seem to have escaped from all this.
I feel bad for the good people at the university who were never involved with this mess. Penn State may or may not recover from this.
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Re: Penn State recruiting « Reply #23 on Jul 14, 2012, 10:00pm via the ProBoards Mobile App »
Institutional loss of control. Football took priority over everything, even the law and dozens more boys were buggered and are condemned to a miserable life.
The school needs a period of time yo reshape their priorities.
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Re: Penn State recruiting « Reply #24 on Jul 16, 2012, 2:17am »
Was at OTL this weekend, there was a crew of dudes reppin Penn State t-shirts. I drink Budweiser. One guy said I should rethink my beer preference. I told him he should rethink Penn State.
Pen State is definitely going to be paying a big price in civil damages. It will be at least a generation before it will begin to not be thought of by many people as a pervert associated institution.
yesterday at 10:19 am - BetterKnown said here is why Penn State football has to go.
"The only way for Penn State to atone for its sins is to end the football program. It is true that football did not rape these kids or even cause Sandusky to rape these kids. But football is the reason it was allowed to continue. It was Penn State football that Sandusky used as candy to lure these kids. It was Penn State football that kept the janitors and others who may have witnessed or suspected child rape from reporting it.
Most of all, it was protecting Penn State football (football itself, its reputation and the individuals at the top of the program) that allowed the abuse to continue for at least a decade longer than it should have.
And when the allegations of abuse came out, and thousands upon thousands of Penn State students, alumni and other loyalists rushed to defend Joe Paterno and the program, it was Penn State football that was clouding their ability to understand that there was simply no possible way that Joe Paterno, who ruled the roost at Penn State, did not know about Sandusky.
So while Sandusky is the perpetrator, and Paterno, Curley, Schultz and Spanier are the co-conspirators, Penn State football was the enabler. Penn State's football culture was laid the fertile soil in which the seeds of this whole thing grew (and were allowed to continue to grow for over a decade). Penn State football created the culture where no one felt that they could or should report child rape, for fear of crossing or damaging the program.
The problem is that everyone at Penn State put the football program above everything else, including the welfare of children. As long as Penn State continues to put football above all else (as is evident is still going on from the comments from Penn State loyalists), Penn State will never be cleansed of these terrible incidents.
If Penn State truly wants to move on, the only way to do so is to completely sever the football program."
Was at OTL this weekend, there was a crew of dudes reppin Penn State t-shirts. I drink Budweiser. One guy said I should rethink my beer preference. I told him he should rethink Penn State.
I don't specifically know which "Penn State" person you were talking to, however, there were quite a few team names that involved the words "Sandusky", "Shower" or "Tickle Monster", in typical OTL fashion. I strongly suspect those guys had no affiliation to Penn State other than trying to create an offensive team name...
With due respect, that's because it's apparent from your prior posts that you're a Penn State fan.
Personally, I'm on the fence as to whether the NCAA should impose sanctions on Penn State. I'm leaning toward thinking the NCAA shouldn't do anything until the criminal and civil matters first play out. They can't all settle out of court so the NCAA could use the evidence presented in those cases to decide what to do. As an example, since it's obvious Penn State has no chance of emerging from the civil suit Scot free, if the jury slaps Penn State with a billion dollars in punitive damages and that is upheld on appeal, that should be enough to indirectly penalize Penn State football so the NCAA wouldn't need to impose a monetary penalty itself.
And let's be clear. The Freeh report didn't divulge everything. That's because the guy didn't have subpoena power. However, criminal authorities and counsel for the plaintiffs in the lawsuit will. So what has come out to this point may not have shined the light on the entirety of a coverup.
In the meantime, of course, Penn State will also be indirectly penalized by the fact that for the next several years at least, the public will be reminded of Jerry Sandusky's horrific acts and the fact a number of them were committed on the premises of Penn State.
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Re: Penn State recruiting « Reply #33 on Jul 17, 2012, 1:35pm »
“I don’t want to take anything off the table. The fact is, this is completely different than an impermissible benefits scandal that happened at SMU or anything else we’ve dealt with. This is as systemic a cultural problem as it is a football problem.
“There have been people who’ve said this wasn’t a football scandal. Well, it was more than a football scandal. Much more than a football scandal. It was that, and much more. We’ll have to figure out exactly what the right penalties are. I don’t know that past precedent makes particularly good sense in this case because it’s really an unprecedented problem.”
Re: Penn State recruiting « Reply #35 on Jul 18, 2012, 1:29pm »
Thanks for the link, JD. Maybe it's unprecedented but what the NCAA does about it will itself create some precedent. So at a minimum it seems to be that if the NCAA gives State Penn a pass because there's no rule expressly dealing with such a situation, the NCAA will establish such an explicit rule, which will become known as the Penn State Rule, thereby forever tarnishing Penn State in the eyes of the public to that extent. The university deserves at least that for having had several of its highest level employees attempt to cover up such an egregious crime.
Thanks for the link, JD. Maybe it's unprecedented but what the NCAA does about it will itself create some precedent. So at a minimum it seems to be that if the NCAA gives State Penn a pass because there's no rule expressly dealing with such a situation, the NCAA will establish such an explicit rule, which will become known as the Penn State Rule, thereby forever tarnishing Penn State in the eyes of the public to that extent. The university deserves at least that for having had several of its highest level employees attempt to cover up such an egregious crime.
Oh, the NCAA will find SOME rule by which to hand down some pretty massive penalties. At the least, I'd expect a large number of football scholarships forfeited and a pretty long (3 years?) post-season ban.
Thanks for the link, JD. Maybe it's unprecedented but what the NCAA does about it will itself create some precedent. So at a minimum it seems to be that if the NCAA gives State Penn a pass because there's no rule expressly dealing with such a situation, the NCAA will establish such an explicit rule, which will become known as the Penn State Rule, thereby forever tarnishing Penn State in the eyes of the public to that extent. The university deserves at least that for having had several of its highest level employees attempt to cover up such an egregious crime.
Oh, the NCAA will find SOME rule by which to hand down some pretty massive penalties. At the least, I'd expect a large number of football scholarships forfeited and a pretty long (3 years?) post-season ban.
My thinking is that any sanction given will or should be oriented at changing the culture of allowing the program carte blanche. The part still not mentioned is the cover up of player misconduct. It is insane what they get off with and has been kept quiet and unprosecuted. That portends something beyond scollies.
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