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No Raise for Rocky Long?
« Thread Started on Apr 14, 2012, 4:26pm »
With some of the posts/threads in mind, does it seem telling to anyone else that Rocky was NOT offered (or was he?) a raise after a bowl season. And since then we've gone on the cheap, with an even smaller payroll.
Hoke was in line for a huge raise after his bowl season. And even if Michigan had not been lurking, I still think he'd have gotten a big boost.
Does this signal the administration's intentions about Rocky's future? Or just SDSU going back to the "good old days" of "cruise and lose"?
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Re: No Raise for Rocky Long?
« Reply #1 on Apr 14, 2012, 4:28pm »
he got 50k for the bowl game. He's making a little less than Hoke made. Of course he wasn't going to get a raise, and that says nothing about what the admin. thinks about him either way.
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Re: No Raise for Rocky Long?
« Reply #2 on Apr 14, 2012, 4:43pm »
I think boosters would have covered the increase in salary, Hoke was a very big personality when he was here.
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Re: No Raise for Rocky Long?
« Reply #3 on Apr 14, 2012, 5:22pm »

Apr 14, 2012, 4:43pm, deadlypepsi wrote:
I think boosters would have covered the increase in salary, Hoke was a very big personality when he was here.


That sort of reinforces the unsubtle point I was making. Rocky doesn't seem to bring out much enthusiasm from the people pulling the purse strings. And that can't be a good thing. This year will be a turning point--yet again--- for the football program.
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Re: No Raise for Rocky Long?
« Reply #4 on Apr 14, 2012, 5:37pm »
Is this No Raise for Rocky Long or No Praise for Rocky Long?
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Re: No Raise for Rocky Long?
« Reply #5 on Apr 14, 2012, 6:36pm »
Coach hasn't done anything that demands a raise....get ranked and the conversation can be had.
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Re: No Raise for Rocky Long?
« Reply #6 on Apr 14, 2012, 6:44pm »
Umm, there were plenty of coaches that went to bowls and did not get a raise. Not to mention that he last year was year1 of a 5 year deal.

What was the need to give a raise after he got a $50K bonus?

What is your agenda? You gunning for the HC job or is your old man or brother dying for the job?

Everything out of you is a bash on Long. I get it, you don't like him and wonder why your dad or Spurrier or Bowden or some other pipe dream coach is not employed instead.
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Re: No Raise for Rocky Long?
« Reply #7 on Apr 14, 2012, 7:24pm »
We lost money on the Bowl game. We are not going to get all that NCAA money on basketball if the Mountain does not fold.

We are just getting out of debt and we don't need to spend money we don't have. Don't we need to hire 25 people we laid off?

We don't even know if we will go into the BE if they don't get us some money.

Next year we will have more Basketball money and hopefully Football money.

If we get into a bowl this year and don't lose money I am sure Rocky will get more money for him and his coaches.

Stark will get some money as well.
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Re: No Raise for Rocky Long?
« Reply #8 on Apr 14, 2012, 7:26pm »

Apr 14, 2012, 4:26pm, myownwords wrote:
With some of the posts/threads in mind, does it seem telling to anyone else that Rocky was NOT offered (or was he?) a raise after a bowl season. And since then we've gone on the cheap, with an even smaller payroll.
Hoke was in line for a huge raise after his bowl season. And even if Michigan had not been lurking, I still think he'd have gotten a big boost.
Does this signal the administration's intentions about Rocky's future? Or just SDSU going back to the "good old days" of "cruise and lose"?


It's amazing how low some expectations are in our fan base. Like the poster earlier this week who said Rocky was already a "proven winner" at SDSU.

I like our head coach just fine. I really do. But why rush to give him a raise? We had a GOOD season, not great. We MET expectations (though I was disappointed to lose the bowl game). We didn't exceed them.

Hoke brought the program from the ashes of the Chuck Long era, and won a bowl game by his second season. Actually, dominated the bowl game. I am sure the admins wanted to show this was their guy, their winner, and they were 100% behind him.

Rocky inherited a program in much better health, now let's see what he does with it. This will be an interesting season, to see how star players and leaders such as Lindley, Hillman, and Burris are replaced.

It's not like we're in great danger of losing the Rock to a BCS program anyways.
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Re: No Raise for Rocky Long?
« Reply #9 on Apr 14, 2012, 7:31pm »
I agree with you Josh. Nothing wrong with Rocky.
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Re: No Raise for Rocky Long?
« Reply #10 on Apr 14, 2012, 9:05pm »
Rocky is an average coach for better or worse. He is lucky to be in a better position than his last job.
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Re: No Raise for Rocky Long?
« Reply #11 on Apr 14, 2012, 9:16pm »

Apr 14, 2012, 9:05pm, insider wrote:
Rocky is an average coach for better or worse. He is lucky to be in a better position than his last job.
Can't agree with that. What he did in that $#!+ hole albacracky is a miracle.
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Re: No Raise for Rocky Long?
« Reply #12 on Apr 14, 2012, 9:31pm »
Rocky does not deserve a raise
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Re: No Raise for Rocky Long?
« Reply #13 on Apr 14, 2012, 9:44pm »

Apr 14, 2012, 9:16pm, AztecTom wrote:

Apr 14, 2012, 9:05pm, insider wrote:
Rocky is an average coach for better or worse. He is lucky to be in a better position than his last job.
Can't agree with that. What he did in that $#!+ hole albacracky is a miracle.


Going under 500 is a miracle?
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Re: No Raise for Rocky Long?
« Reply #14 on Apr 14, 2012, 9:47pm »

Apr 14, 2012, 9:44pm, insider wrote:

Apr 14, 2012, 9:16pm, AztecTom wrote:
Can't agree with that. What he did in that $#!+ hole albacracky is a miracle.


Going under 500 is a miracle?
5 bowl games in 10 years. Guess how many we made in that same time frame? 0
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Re: No Raise for Rocky Long?
« Reply #15 on Apr 14, 2012, 9:59pm »

Apr 14, 2012, 9:47pm, AztecTom wrote:

Apr 14, 2012, 9:44pm, insider wrote:


Going under 500 is a miracle?
5 bowl games in 10 years. Guess how many we made in that same time frame? 0


Exactly, which makes him better than "average"...
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Re: No Raise for Rocky Long?
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Apr 14, 2012, 9:47pm, AztecTom wrote:

Apr 14, 2012, 9:44pm, insider wrote:


Going under 500 is a miracle?
5 bowl games in 10 years. Guess how many we made in that same time frame? 0


Says a lot more about our coaching than anything Rocky did.
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Re: No Raise for Rocky Long?
« Reply #17 on Apr 14, 2012, 10:10pm »

Apr 14, 2012, 9:47pm, AztecTom wrote:

Apr 14, 2012, 9:44pm, insider wrote:


Going under 500 is a miracle?
5 bowl games in 10 years. Guess how many we made in that same time frame? 0


and how'd he do in those?
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Re: No Raise for Rocky Long?
« Reply #18 on Apr 15, 2012, 1:13am »
What incentive does SDSU have to give Rocky a raise even if he did deserve one? He already has said this is his last head coaching job. Coaches are paid to win and we should not give him more for doing his job at a rate both parties agreed to.
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Re: No Raise for Rocky Long?
« Reply #19 on Apr 15, 2012, 1:28am »
I find this amibivalence, or worse, regarding Rocky Long's ability to coach a football team to be rather amusing. When we were losing to the Lobos year after year, I don't recall any Aztec fans saying how poor a HC Rocky was.

Here are the facts. New Mexico has had a football program since 1892. In those 120 years, they fielded a team 113 times. In all that time the Lobos went to eleven bowl games, five during Rocky Long's eleven year tenure.

Looking at it another way, the Lobos went to bowl games seven times in the 46 years from 1962 to 2008, Rocky's last year. New Mexico got bowl invitations 7 times in all those years, and Rocky's teams went 5 of those 7 times. So in 35 years, 7 NMU coaches lead their teams to bowls 2 times. In just 11 years, Rocky lead his teams to bowls 5 times. Don't you see a pattern there?

Let me remind you that Brady Hoke was criticized, among Wolverine fans if not here, on the basis of his having an over-all losing record at Ball State. Somehow that did not prevent him from turning around both this program and that of the Univ. of Michigan.

I agree that a raise was probably not in order for Rocky this year. Perhaps in a year or two. (2012 will be, not just for Rocky Long, an important one for SDSU football.)

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