Re: UT: SDSU hires offensive line coach « Reply #20 on Apr 12, 2012, 12:48am »
So basically we are without a full time DC and have two GA's promoted to OL and strength coach. It might work. Remember those Kansas St. guys Long brought in who were flops but we were all excited about the experience and bigger salaries we had to pay. Time will tell. Guess we are saving about $300K a year by going this route.
« Last Edit: Apr 12, 2012, 12:49am by Doug Drake »
Re: UT: SDSU hires offensive line coach « Reply #21 on Apr 12, 2012, 1:22am »
Gunther, Matamua, and Rivera think Schmidt is a good coach, and he's had a couple of years of coaching with folks good enough for Michigan and Utah. I initially thought he was just holding the slot for Goff. Hang in there, Matt
4 years playing O line at SDSU then 3 years as a Graduate Assistant I think he has learned it and earned it !
You and I just have a different view of what qualifies a person as a coach. I see your point, but my feeling is that being a good student and a good assistant--for many years---does not in itself make you a good teacher. Two different skill sets. I could be wrong and someone will correct me quickly if I am, but great coaches have great trees. Look at Coryell's tree. Long, not so much. And that tells me that even if Rocky turns out to be a good coach at SDSU, I don't think he'll ever be great and picking assistants with no quantifiable track record makes me nervous.
I understand what you are saying. It's very valid
But unless you and I or anyone else on this bored is at practice every day, is in the film room every day....how can you put a value of schmidt? how can a person on here tell another person this coach is not good enough?
yes this is a message board and people are going to voice their opinions, but I think some take it too far and think they are experts and that everything is 100% transparent. There is no way you can determine how good of a coach schmidt is this soon. Or even ever...unless you played for him or coached along side him
Re: UT: SDSU hires offensive line coach « Reply #24 on Apr 12, 2012, 10:05am »
Yes, and these are huge risks at arguably the 2 most important positional positions. There seems to be a cheapness and/or an arrogance happening here. Schmidt's job this year is basically to prepare the tackles and develop the underclassmen - the interior lineman will be fine, hell each of them have the ability to be on an all-MWC team, let's hope he can help build the competition and develop whomever comes out of it as starting RT.
Re: UT: SDSU hires offensive line coach « Reply #25 on Apr 12, 2012, 10:31am »
Is Schmidit green, hell yes! Was Hoke, and every other successful coach once green? Hell yes! Give Schmidt a chance at least. The guy could turn into the next Hoke. You just never know.
You and I just have a different view of what qualifies a person as a coach. I see your point, but my feeling is that being a good student and a good assistant--for many years---does not in itself make you a good teacher. Two different skill sets. I could be wrong and someone will correct me quickly if I am, but great coaches have great trees. Look at Coryell's tree. Long, not so much. And that tells me that even if Rocky turns out to be a good coach at SDSU, I don't think he'll ever be great and picking assistants with no quantifiable track record makes me nervous.
Suggest you absorb what Matt Pohl is saying here above. He is at practice regularly and has a rapport with some of the players and if he says they respect Schmidt, it is so.If Schmidt passes Rocky's scrutiny, it's good enough for me.
4 years playing O line at SDSU then 3 years as a Graduate Assistant I think he has learned it and earned it !
You and I just have a different view of what qualifies a person as a coach. I see your point, but my feeling is that being a good student and a good assistant--for many years---does not in itself make you a good teacher. Two different skill sets. I could be wrong and someone will correct me quickly if I am, but great coaches have great trees. Look at Coryell's tree. Long, not so much. And that tells me that even if Rocky turns out to be a good coach at SDSU, I don't think he'll ever be great and picking assistants with no quantifiable track record makes me nervous.
Come on! At some point EVERY coach on the planet was hired on after being a Player and then being an assistant. A guy has to make the jump to the next level at some point. He has been with the program for a long time but in the time and effort and knows these kids inside and out. Being a GA isnt just getting coffee for the coaches. He was out there coaching and helping kids on the field this whole time. This guy bleeds red and black good hire!
You and I just have a different view of what qualifies a person as a coach. I see your point, but my feeling is that being a good student and a good assistant--for many years---does not in itself make you a good teacher. Two different skill sets. I could be wrong and someone will correct me quickly if I am, but great coaches have great trees. Look at Coryell's tree. Long, not so much. And that tells me that even if Rocky turns out to be a good coach at SDSU, I don't think he'll ever be great and picking assistants with no quantifiable track record makes me nervous.
Come on! At some point EVERY coach on the planet was hired on after being a Player and then being an assistant. A guy has to make the jump to the next level at some point. He has been with the program for a long time but in the time and effort and knows these kids inside and out. Being a GA isnt just getting coffee for the coaches. He was out there coaching and helping kids on the field this whole time. This guy bleeds red and black good hire!
If the head coach is a Coryell, or anyone of that stature, then okay, take some "risks" at some positions. But we do NOT have that kind of head coach. Of course everyone has to start somewhere. I just prefer that they make their bones with another team. At this point it's critical for us to NOT experiment. These choices may turn out just great, but without a resume, they could be the start of us tumbling back down into the rabbit hole.
Come on! At some point EVERY coach on the planet was hired on after being a Player and then being an assistant. A guy has to make the jump to the next level at some point. He has been with the program for a long time but in the time and effort and knows these kids inside and out. Being a GA isnt just getting coffee for the coaches. He was out there coaching and helping kids on the field this whole time. This guy bleeds red and black good hire!
If the head coach is a Coryell, or anyone of that stature, then okay, take some "risks" at some positions. But we do NOT have that kind of head coach. Of course everyone has to start somewhere. I just prefer that they make their bones with another team. At this point it's critical for us to NOT experiment. These choices may turn out just great, but without a resume, they could be the start of us tumbling back down into the rabbit hole.
Ok, now you're just sounding like a broken record. There is some validity to your concern(s). I believe that we all have it. But, we don't allow to become a glass-half-empty mentality. I think that you have to accept the validity of the points that us that oppose you have made.
And yes, Coryell was great, but get off of his jock strap already. He's long gone (no pun nor disrespect intended) from this program. So far, Rock's proven that he's a winner at our program. And there's no experimenting going on. Rock and Lug have worked with Mike, so they knew what he was capable of before giving him a shot at the gig. IMO, experimenting would have been bringing in an OL coach from a mediocre JUCO, FCS or unproven FBS program. That would have been someone with a "weak resume".
"Because he's the hero SDSU deserves, but not the one it needs right now...and so we'll hunt him, because he can take it. Because he's not a hero. He's a silent guardian, a watchful protector...a dark knight." -Commissioner Gordon on Rocky Long
You and I just have a different view of what qualifies a person as a coach. I see your point, but my feeling is that being a good student and a good assistant--for many years---does not in itself make you a good teacher. Two different skill sets. I could be wrong and someone will correct me quickly if I am, but great coaches have great trees. Look at Coryell's tree. Long, not so much. And that tells me that even if Rocky turns out to be a good coach at SDSU, I don't think he'll ever be great and picking assistants with no quantifiable track record makes me nervous.
Suggest you absorb what Matt Pohl is saying here above. He is at practice regularly and has a rapport with some of the players and if he says they respect Schmidt, it is so.If Schmidt passes Rocky's scrutiny, it's good enough for me.
All due respect to you and Matt, my opinion is that players' opinions are not a major consideration. You may be aware of, but I am not, any school having athletes interview and comment on potential coaching hires. Don't think that the administrations are persuaded by those young students' input.
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Fair question and I am sure others can answer it better than I, but wasn't Funk at Colorado State for 4 or 5 years coaching and then at Ball State under Hoke? Hoke was a successful head coach and we judged him to be able to improve our team, as did Michigan. Our strength coach and now line coaches may turn out great, but right now they are key areas for us and they have very weak resumes. There must be coaches out there with much more depth, BUT would cost us. And therein my lie the rub. I don't know this, but it seems that we didn't even try.
Hoke was 34-38, took 5 years to have a winning season and ended up being a great hire - he was not a big name and it was easy to question his resume... but now he is the greatest thing since slided bread... you have to give people you believe in the chance to suceed... if you're expecting big named nfl and bcs coaches to come here... you're in for a long wait.
Exactly this.
Now a days everybody thinks every hire is a "bad" hire. When we hired hoke, it was a "bad" hire to all these experienced athletic directors on here. Michigan fans were on suicide watch when they hired hoke. They just looked at his overall record and assumed he sucked.
You and I just have a different view of what qualifies a person as a coach. I see your point, but my feeling is that being a good student and a good assistant--for many years---does not in itself make you a good teacher. Two different skill sets. I could be wrong and someone will correct me quickly if I am, but great coaches have great trees. Look at Coryell's tree. Long, not so much. And that tells me that even if Rocky turns out to be a good coach at SDSU, I don't think he'll ever be great and picking assistants with no quantifiable track record makes me nervous.
Suggest you absorb what Matt Pohl is saying here above. He is at practice regularly and has a rapport with some of the players and if he says they respect Schmidt, it is so.If Schmidt passes Rocky's scrutiny, it's good enough for me.
you responded to the wrong person. I am on schmidt's side. I know him and ive seen him coach. I am trying to convince the doubters.
So basically we are without a full time DC and have two GA's promoted to OL and strength coach. It might work. Remember those Kansas St. guys Long brought in who were flops but we were all excited about the experience and bigger salaries we had to pay. Time will tell. Guess we are saving about $300K a year by going this route.
Exactly. We paid the Chuck Long staff a ton of money. Those guys had experienced backgrounds. Where did it get us? A good coach can spot talent and find value in players and young coaches. Better young and hungry than tired and overpaid.
So basically we are without a full time DC and have two GA's promoted to OL and strength coach. It might work. Remember those Kansas St. guys Long brought in who were flops but we were all excited about the experience and bigger salaries we had to pay. Time will tell. Guess we are saving about $300K a year by going this route.
It concerns me as well, but I am remaining optimistic on it. I hope we're just not making these moves for the sake of saving $$.
If the head coach is a Coryell, or anyone of that stature, then okay, take some "risks" at some positions. But we do NOT have that kind of head coach. Of course everyone has to start somewhere. I just prefer that they make their bones with another team. At this point it's critical for us to NOT experiment. These choices may turn out just great, but without a resume, they could be the start of us tumbling back down into the rabbit hole.
Ok, now you're just sounding like a broken record. There is some validity to your concern(s). I believe that we all have it. But, we don't allow to become a glass-half-empty mentality. I think that you have to accept the validity of the points that us that oppose you have made.
And yes, Coryell was great, but get off of his jock strap already. He's long gone (no pun nor disrespect intended) from this program. So far, Rock's proven that he's a winner at our program. And there's no experimenting going on. Rock and Lug have worked with Mike, so they knew what he was capable of before giving him a shot at the gig. IMO, experimenting would have been bringing in an OL coach from a mediocre JUCO, FCS or unproven FBS program. That would have been someone with a "weak resume".
Rocky is a proven winner at SDSU? I support the guy, but how so? Because we beat the cupcakes on our schedule while losing to Wyoming at home?
Rocky still has PLENTY to prove at SDSU, in my opinion. But that's just me.
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Re: UT: SDSU hires offensive line coach « Reply #36 on Apr 12, 2012, 12:39pm »
Suggest you absorb what Matt Pohl is saying here above. He is at practice regularly and has a rapport with some of the players and if he says they respect Schmidt, it is so.If Schmidt passes Rocky's scrutiny, it's good enough for me. [/quote]
So basically we are without a full time DC and have two GA's promoted to OL and strength coach. It might work. Remember those Kansas St. guys Long brought in who were flops but we were all excited about the experience and bigger salaries we had to pay. Time will tell. Guess we are saving about $300K a year by going this route.
It concerns me as well, but I am remaining optimistic on it. I hope we're just not making these moves for the sake of saving $$.
You never know but I don't think so. I think the DC thing is Rocky being extremely picky (stubborn?) on whom he trusts. I think the OL hire was solid - Rocky has been able to watch him for 3 years (maybe remembers him as a player as well). Actually think the O-line underachieved last year under Finn, given the experience we had coming back. The one I was concerned about was S&C coach, Hall didn’t seem to have much/any experience (1 year)... but by all accounts, sounds like he’s kicking ass.
Re: UT: SDSU hires offensive line coach « Reply #38 on Apr 12, 2012, 12:45pm »
I'm more worried about Schmidt as a recruiter than as a coach. The guy can coach and will prove it to all the doubters on here. But adding recruiting to his workload and being an effective recruiter will be the biggest challenge for him.
Anybody have an info on what kind of personality he has?
By the way, I've heard only glowing reports on Hall. I'd say the team is in better hands than when Court was here.
This hire and the strength coach hire are head scratchers. I'm a Rocky fan but these kind of hires make me question how successful he will be here.
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Geebus, how some have forgotten that the fact Tom Craft played football at SDSU sure didn't result in our hiring a great HC. Rather, Craft showed why he was the first JC coach to be elevated to HC of a DIA school in more than two decades.
Color me underwhelmed with this latest news for the same reason.
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