"Because he's the hero SDSU deserves, but not the one it needs right now...and so we'll hunt him, because he can take it. Because he's not a hero. He's a silent guardian, a watchful protector...a dark knight." -Commissioner Gordon on Rocky Long
Re: UT: SDSU hires offensive line coach « Reply #8 on Apr 11, 2012, 9:24pm »
Does it not seem that Ludwig is damning with faint praise, saying he was:
"...doing a “very good job” and noted that he entered the coaching profession in similar fashion. Both Ludwig and head coach Rocky Long got their first coaching jobs at their alma maters. "
Actually, I think I'd prefer more "Hokes" and fewer dedicated-for-life guys.
Hoke is a dedicated guy. Mich was his dream job. The only way he's leaving Ann Arbor is forcibly.
Mike Schmidt and Adam Hall. The kind of guys needed behind the Aztec scenes. Glad they are here!!!
I think I did not say that very clearly. We made a huge jump forward just in the short time that Hoke was here. We still need to make huge jumps and I feel more coaches like him would help us get there quicker (even if they leave soon), than hiring "cheap" understudies who want to stay and learn on the job... and may leave anyway, no matter what they say now.
Hoke is a dedicated guy. Mich was his dream job. The only way he's leaving Ann Arbor is forcibly.
Mike Schmidt and Adam Hall. The kind of guys needed behind the Aztec scenes. Glad they are here!!!
I think I did not say that very clearly. We made a huge jump forward just in the short time that Hoke was here. We still need to make huge jumps and I feel more coaches like him would help us get there quicker (even if they leave soon), than hiring "cheap" understudies who want to stay and learn on the job... and may leave anyway, no matter what they say now.
C'mon MOW. Do you really think that Schmidt was hired solely based on minimizing overhead!? Obviously, Rock and Ludwig saw something in him as a GA that made them confident enough to try him out. He passed. Promoting within make the coach staff and the coach-player bonds stronger. It will provide confidence to the individuals involved in the team.
The article is poorly written. It makes this situation seem as if the hiring was based on getting the cheapest bidder.
"Because he's the hero SDSU deserves, but not the one it needs right now...and so we'll hunt him, because he can take it. Because he's not a hero. He's a silent guardian, a watchful protector...a dark knight." -Commissioner Gordon on Rocky Long
I think I did not say that very clearly. We made a huge jump forward just in the short time that Hoke was here. We still need to make huge jumps and I feel more coaches like him would help us get there quicker (even if they leave soon), than hiring "cheap" understudies who want to stay and learn on the job... and may leave anyway, no matter what they say now.
C'mon MOW. Do you really think that Schmidt was hired solely based on minimizing overhead!? Obviously, Rock and Ludwig saw something in him as a GA that made them confident enough to try him out. He passed. Promoting within make the coach staff and the coach-player bonds stronger. It will provide confidence to the individuals involved in the team.
The article is poorly written. It makes this situation seem as if the hiring was based on getting the cheapest bidder.
Honestly, I think you're right about the overhead thing. But I sure don't see any grand enthusiasm coming from Ludwig. Sounds like he's giving us the "company line". And my view is that we have NO room for experimental choices and making our team a training camp for wannabes. Let Texas and USC and on and on do that. It either says something (I won't want to hear) about Rocky's ability to get top proven "understudies", OR his total shut down from above on the payroll...which again says something I don't want to hear about the administration. To me this is a bad sign, and I just hope the recruits are impervious to it.
4 years playing O line at SDSU then 3 years as a Graduate Assistant I think he has learned it and earned it !
You and I just have a different view of what qualifies a person as a coach. I see your point, but my feeling is that being a good student and a good assistant--for many years---does not in itself make you a good teacher. Two different skill sets. I could be wrong and someone will correct me quickly if I am, but great coaches have great trees. Look at Coryell's tree. Long, not so much. And that tells me that even if Rocky turns out to be a good coach at SDSU, I don't think he'll ever be great and picking assistants with no quantifiable track record makes me nervous.
4 years playing O line at SDSU then 3 years as a Graduate Assistant I think he has learned it and earned it !
You and I just have a different view of what qualifies a person as a coach. I see your point, but my feeling is that being a good student and a good assistant--for many years---does not in itself make you a good teacher. Two different skill sets. I could be wrong and someone will correct me quickly if I am, but great coaches have great trees. Look at Coryell's tree. Long, not so much. And that tells me that even if Rocky turns out to be a good coach at SDSU, I don't think he'll ever be great and picking assistants with no quantifiable track record makes me nervous.
Okay so who exactly would you have hired as an o-line coach... what was hoke's record before he came herer???? what were funk's quals?
Does it not seem that Ludwig is damning with faint praise,
?
No. You are reading what you feel into it. It states in the article that the quote is from a month ago. They didn't even speak to Ludwig regarding the official hire.
Regarding the rest of your concerns, you may be correct the guy may not be a good hire but all of the evidence you use to condemn him is superficial. If he is bad it will be clear after a few years and the same holds true if he is good.
And yes, Rocky is no Coryell, but few are so comparing their coaching 'trees' is hardly fair.
You and I just have a different view of what qualifies a person as a coach. I see your point, but my feeling is that being a good student and a good assistant--for many years---does not in itself make you a good teacher. Two different skill sets. I could be wrong and someone will correct me quickly if I am, but great coaches have great trees. Look at Coryell's tree. Long, not so much. And that tells me that even if Rocky turns out to be a good coach at SDSU, I don't think he'll ever be great and picking assistants with no quantifiable track record makes me nervous.
Okay so who exactly would you have hired as an o-line coach... what was hoke's record before he came herer???? what were funk's quals?
Fair question and I am sure others can answer it better than I, but wasn't Funk at Colorado State for 4 or 5 years coaching and then at Ball State under Hoke? Hoke was a successful head coach and we judged him to be able to improve our team, as did Michigan. Our strength coach and now line coaches may turn out great, but right now they are key areas for us and they have very weak resumes. There must be coaches out there with much more depth, BUT would cost us. And therein my lie the rub. I don't know this, but it seems that we didn't even try.
Does it not seem that Ludwig is damning with faint praise,
?
No. You are reading what you feel into it. It states in the article that the quote is from a month ago. They didn't even speak to Ludwig regarding the official hire.
Regarding the rest of your concerns, you may be correct the guy may not be a good hire but all of the evidence you use to condemn him is superficial. If he is bad it will be clear after a few years and the same holds true if he is good.
And yes, Rocky is no Coryell, but few are so comparing their coaching 'trees' is hardly fair.
Fair rebuke. I'll try to do less "feeling" and add more objectivity.
Okay so who exactly would you have hired as an o-line coach... what was hoke's record before he came herer???? what were funk's quals?
Fair question and I am sure others can answer it better than I, but wasn't Funk at Colorado State for 4 or 5 years coaching and then at Ball State under Hoke? Hoke was a successful head coach and we judged him to be able to improve our team, as did Michigan. Our strength coach and now line coaches may turn out great, but right now they are key areas for us and they have very weak resumes. There must be coaches out there with much more depth, BUT would cost us. And therein my lie the rub. I don't know this, but it seems that we didn't even try.
Hoke was 34-38, took 5 years to have a winning season and ended up being a great hire - he was not a big name and it was easy to question his resume... but now he is the greatest thing since slided bread... you have to give people you believe in the chance to suceed... if you're expecting big named nfl and bcs coaches to come here... you're in for a long wait.
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